Exactly - how many races last one lap (Except MonacoDe Jokke wrote:I see your point, but challenge? Lewis would have won everything if it wasn't for his OZ dnf. What more does he need to do...
About Alonso, he is allround BUT he is slower than lewis, vettel, kimi and rosberg over a single lap.
I was talking about QWF, which is also part of racing and there he lacks severely in my opnion. But in the race, nando is there, true that. He made Ferrari look better, indeed, but so did Lewis with the Mclaren. Especially in 2009. Lewis has nothing more to prove in terms of talent, as he already did it in good to mediocre cars (2007-2013).CBeck113 wrote:Exactly - how many races last one lap (Except MonacoDe Jokke wrote:I see your point, but challenge? Lewis would have won everything if it wasn't for his OZ dnf. What more does he need to do...
About Alonso, he is allround BUT he is slower than lewis, vettel, kimi and rosberg over a single lap.)? His ability to keep the entire race in perspective while giving 100% throughout makes him so good, and has made Ferrari look much better over the past years. Lewis is on the best path to prove his talent, but has the same "problem" as Vettel has had - the best car on the grid. That will always leave room to question the merit (not in my opinion - you win, you're the best) but for fan debates.
At least Lewis has to fight with a good team mate and he has performed in dogs before this season. 20 years later people don't know how you did it, they will only say: hey you are two times world champion F1.CBeck113 wrote:Exactly - how many races last one lap (Except MonacoDe Jokke wrote:I see your point, but challenge? Lewis would have won everything if it wasn't for his OZ dnf. What more does he need to do...
About Alonso, he is allround BUT he is slower than lewis, vettel, kimi and rosberg over a single lap.)? His ability to keep the entire race in perspective while giving 100% throughout makes him so good, and has made Ferrari look much better over the past years. Lewis is on the best path to prove his talent, but has the same "problem" as Vettel has had - the best car on the grid. That will always leave room to question the merit (not in my opinion - you win, you're the best) but for fan debates.
I think Constructor and Driver's World Championship would be appreciated by the boss. Zetsche wants his own Michael Schumacher. Maybe that's Hamilton but he has to earn that reputation.De Jokke wrote:I see your point, but challenge? Lewis would have won everything if it wasn't for his OZ dnf. What more does he need to do...
It's a journalist trying to grab headlines with one selective quote. They succeeded because they caught your attention.De Jokke wrote:I don't get it....
He has never had the best car. Only this year was he able to win 3 races in a row for the first time.CBeck113 wrote:Lewis is on the best path to prove his talent, but has the same "problem" as Vettel has had - the best car on the grid. That will always leave room to question the merit (not in my opinion - you win, you're the best) but for fan debates.
Emerson.F wrote:He has never had the best car. Only this year was he able to win 3 races in a row for the first time.CBeck113 wrote:Lewis is on the best path to prove his talent, but has the same "problem" as Vettel has had - the best car on the grid. That will always leave room to question the merit (not in my opinion - you win, you're the best) but for fan debates.
In 2007 and 2008 the Ferrari's and Bmw's where equally as quick. And only matched the reigning 2 times WDC in his rookie year...Not a small feat.
2009 speaks for itself. No but's or ifs. Look at Mclaren now. the car in 2009 was far worse than the last two cars they build and he dragged that car to two wins by seasons end. On merit
2010 the Ferrari and Mclaren where behind Redbull all season.
2011 was even worse with Lewis claiming the only non-Redbull Pole of the season. He had some of his best wins in that Season. Germany and China where my favourite wins.
2012 Mclaren cost him at least 130 points, only mistake was Valencia with Maldonado. jamesallen had a good article about it on his site.
2013 beddding into a car with horrible tyrelife build around Schumacher and Rosberg. If it wasn't for the tyreblowout he wouldv'e had two wins instead of one.
2014 speaks for itself 4 poles , 4 wins.
Alonso qoute from 2012:
"Why do I say Hamilton is the strongest? Because it's what I think, it's my personal opinion and there is nothing political in that," said Alonso. "Lewis has always won races ever since he has been in Formula 1, even in years like 2009, when he had started the season with a car that was two seconds off the quickest.
Ps: One only has to look at his junior track record wich is fenomenal by any standard.
It's maybe a bit to early to say that. Senna, Lauda, Prost, Fangio, Novulari and Schumi are amongst the best. In ten years we judge much better. As to now Lewis is my favourite driver together with Fred. Even some greats have no title like Sir Stirling Moss. Yet he is still considered one of the greatest f1 drivers.De Jokke wrote: This =D> =D> =D>
For me, Lewis is the best driver ever. I know you can't compare the different era's but if I had to chose one, it'll be him.
Could be, but he's (in my opinion) the better version of Senna:Emerson.F wrote:It's maybe a bit to early to say that. Senna, Lauda, Prost, Fangio, Novulari and Schumi are amongst the best. In ten years we judge much better. As to now Lewis is my favourite driver together with Fred. Even some greats have no title like Sir Stirling Moss. Yet he is still considered one of the greatest f1 drivers.De Jokke wrote: This =D> =D> =D>
For me, Lewis is the best driver ever. I know you can't compare the different era's but if I had to chose one, it'll be him.
Right, in much the same way as people would hesitate to put Hamilton on the list simply for winning 9 races in a row in the W05.elf341 wrote:He's got some way to go until you can put him in the list Emerson mentioned.
Vettel has 4 WDC and won the last 9 races of 2013 in a row, and yet people still hesitate to add his name to that list.