2014 Austrian Grand Prix - Red Bull Ring

[thevlack]

I have a question, its possible to delay a pit stop *only 1 Sec*? Or Would you end by trashing all the thing?... I think that is the question.

I don't follow, what are you asking?

All are Saying "Merc are always giving HAM slower pit stops" not only in the race...

I ask its possible yo do it? I mean just enough to make ROS hold the lead without having HAM lose a place to another team?

I Mean its the same crew that works both pits stops so I guess its hard to make it without throwing all away.

[beelsebob]

I have a question, its possible to delay a pit stop *only 1 Sec*? Or Would you end by trashing all the thing?... I think that is the question.

I don't follow, what are you asking?

All are Saying "Merc are always giving HAM slower pit stops" not only in the race...

I ask its possible yo do it? I mean just enough to make ROS hold the lead without having HAM lose a place to another team?

I Mean its the same crew that works both pits stops so I guess its hard to make it without throwing all away.

No, certainly I don't think there's anything deliberate going on here. Just luck.

Remember, most of the mechanics and engineers are actually British. None of them would pay any attention if management were to (and I don't think they would) give a decree to spoil Lewis' stops.

[sennafan24]

Lewis made his own luck yesterday by making mistakes in qualifying, which is a shame as he was the better driver today. Lewis might have ended ahead if the pitstop times had been equal, we will never know

Weekend goes to Nico overall

29 points is probably too much for Lewis to overcome without a DNF going Nico's way. Nico is now firm favorite to become Champion.

[beelsebob]

Lewis made his own luck yesterday by making mistakes in qualifying, which is a shame as he was the better driver today. Lewis might have ended ahead if the pitstop times had been equal, we will never know

Weekend goes to Nico overall

29 points is probably too much for Lewis to overcome without a DNF going Nico's way. Nico is now firm favorite to become Champion.

I agree in general about the weekend. I find it bizarre though that people are saying 29 points is too much for Lewis to overcome. Lewis already overcame a 28 point advantage in 4 races this season. What makes you think a 29 point advantage is that much more special?

[F1NAC]

Is there any list of used PU components. I heard from our broadcasters that Vettel basically used all of his components?

[thomin]

That first pit stop wouldn't have changed anything. Lewis wouldn't have gotten the undercut on the second stop, so if anything he could have fallen behind Bottas if Williams were to cover for Nico's second stop and thereby undercut Lewis. Granted, that's an unlikely scenario, but even so, the gap would have been comparable to what we ended up with.


Nico was just asked whether he was on the edge in that last lap and he replied that he wasn't at all. He was on the couple of laps before that where he fought to keep Lewis out of the DRS range, but he said that on that last lap, he knew that Lewis was in no position to overtake him, as there are only three corners to try and do so and Lewis wasn't close enough to give it a go.

[beelsebob]

Is there any list of used PU components. I heard from our broadcasters that Vettel basically used all of his components?

Vettel was on 3 ICEs, 4 Turbos, 3 ERS-Hs, 4 ERS-Ks, and 5 CEs used before this race. Given the failure this race, I would be very surprised if he didn't end up having used very close to everything he has next race, we'll have to see if they change the engine or not.

[sennafan24]

Lewis made his own luck yesterday by making mistakes in qualifying, which is a shame as he was the better driver today. Lewis might have ended ahead if the pitstop times had been equal, we will never know

Weekend goes to Nico overall

29 points is probably too much for Lewis to overcome without a DNF going Nico's way. Nico is now firm favorite to become Champion.

I agree in general about the weekend. I find it bizarre though that people are saying 29 points is too much for Lewis to overcome. Lewis already overcame a 28 point advantage in 4 races this season. What makes you think a 29 point advantage is that much more special?

Lets say the Mercedes dominates resumes for a second, and DNF's remain fairly equal (two big "ifs" I know)

Lewis would have to finish ahead on Nico 4 or 5 times more for the rest of the year in 2 car finishes to get the points total level. Yes, Lewis rattled off 4 races in a row earlier this year. But, neither seem to have long spells of dominating one another in general. Overall in 2013, they were 8-8 in 2 car finishes.

I understand double points is a factor also. But I cannot see Lewis beating Nico consistently enough to make up significant ground. Lewis needs a bit of luck if you ask me.

Plus Lewis has visibly bottled the past two qualifying sessions. My confidence in his ability at the moment, is not as high as it was pre-Monaco

I am a Lewis fan by the way.

[iotar__]

That first pit stop wouldn't have changed anything. Lewis wouldn't have gotten the undercut on the second stop, so if anything he could have fallen behind Bottas if Williams were to cover for Nico's second stop and thereby undercut Lewis. Granted, that's an unlikely scenario, but even so, the gap would have been comparable to what we ended up with.

Exactly.
Another non-story subject Hamitlon raises after strategy Monaco whining. Slower stop to blame for everything? What positions did Hamilton lose? He ended up third. And give me a break, 0,75 equalised itself with sending Rosberg into traffic, more or less
+ Ham not fast enough overall
+ second pitstop sequence
+ not to mention qualifying
+ huge luck of starting behind Kvyat, Raikkonen and Ricciardo when he got positions for free (plus some great start of course but they were barely moving ), he really should stop complaining and start getting his qualifying right, for the supposed fastestest driver he can't make it happen time and time again and blames everything else,
Edit: if you thought drivers chose pitstop and strategies (Rosberg - Bahrain) check how confused NR was after 2nd pitstop sequence - who am I racing

[matt_b]

Lewis made his own luck yesterday by making mistakes in qualifying, which is a shame as he was the better driver today. Lewis might have ended ahead if the pitstop times had been equal, we will never know

Weekend goes to Nico overall

29 points is probably too much for Lewis to overcome without a DNF going Nico's way. Nico is now firm favorite to become Champion.

With 11 races, 300 points for grabs and the williams fighting with them, its still all to play for, enjoy the fight.

[thomin]

Lewis made his own luck yesterday by making mistakes in qualifying, which is a shame as he was the better driver today. Lewis might have ended ahead if the pitstop times had been equal, we will never know

Weekend goes to Nico overall

29 points is probably too much for Lewis to overcome without a DNF going Nico's way. Nico is now firm favorite to become Champion.

I agree in general about the weekend. I find it bizarre though that people are saying 29 points is too much for Lewis to overcome. Lewis already overcame a 28 point advantage in 4 races this season. What makes you think a 29 point advantage is that much more special?

It's not. Still the cards are stacked in Nico's favor now. Whether he converts that advantage is another matter entirely. And he might also suffer from bad luck and a DNF eventually. Not to mention that there are double points in the end.

[henra]

29 points is probably too much for Lewis to overcome without a DNF going Nico's way. Nico is now firm favorite to become Champion.

Way too early. There is still plenty of opportunities for Hamilton to grab that back (not even considering the double points @final race). Chances increased that the season will remain open until the last races.

That said, looking at the Ferrari and Renault powered cars makes me profoundly worried. Without Alonso who pulled again points out of thin air it would have looked really really grim. They both still seem to be massively lacking power, probably Renault even worse than Ferrari. All Renault powered cars were just easy prey on the long up- hill straight.
Let's hope that at least Williams can slose the gap further and start to challenge the Mercs.

[siskue2005]

What a mega first lap Lewis had, from ninth to just behind Nico in one lap ...wow!
That gave him the second place otherwise it would have been difficult to overtake Massa and Bottas

[sennafan24]

29 points is probably too much for Lewis to overcome without a DNF going Nico's way. Nico is now firm favorite to become Champion.

Way too early. There is still plenty of opportunities for Hamilton to grab that back (not even considering the double points @final race). Chances increased that the season will remain open until the last races.

That said, looking at the Ferrari and Renault powered cars makes me profoundly worried. Without Alonso who pulled again points out of thin air it would have looked really really grim. They both still seem to be massively lacking power, probably Renault even worse than Ferrari. All Renault powered cars were just easy prey on the long up- hill straight.
Let's hope that at least Williams can slose the gap further and start to challenge the Mercs.

Agreed on the part bolded

Alonso is the only driver out of the big 3 who is doing himself justice this year. Today was yet another strong drive that left Kimi in the dust.

I am not saying there are not opportunities for Lewis to comeback, just that it will be very difficult. Nico is going to beat Lewis on merit some weekends, he is fast enough to keep Lewis at bay, and consistent enough to ensure he can manage the points gap for a long while.

[siskue2005]

29 points is probably too much for Lewis to overcome without a DNF going Nico's way. Nico is now firm favorite to become Champion.

Way too early. There is still plenty of opportunities for Hamilton to grab that back (not even considering the double points @final race). Chances increased that the season will remain open until the last races.

That said, looking at the Ferrari and Renault powered cars makes me profoundly worried. Without Alonso who pulled again points out of thin air it would have looked really really grim. They both still seem to be massively lacking power, probably Renault even worse than Ferrari. All Renault powered cars were just easy prey on the long up- hill straight.
Let's hope that at least Williams can slose the gap further and start to challenge the Mercs.

Agreed on the part bolded

Alonso is the only driver out of the big 3 who is doing himself justice this year. Today was yet another strong drive that left Kimi in the dust.

And what is the point in doing that? As long as he is not winning wdc or races what is the point in celebrating and strong drive to 5th place! Or beating a teammate ??