Scuderia Ferrari SF15-T

[PlatinumZealot]

Different side pod shape, different cooling exits and horizontal louvers at the bottom of the rear wing endplate to name a few aero changes.

No, just have a look on F14-T and SF15-t and you will see that side pods shapes are the same. After that, have a look to MP4-30 or RB 11 above and look who narrow are sidepods. Ok, cooling exits are a little closer than last year but it's not as significant than on the Lotus for example.To finish, horizontal louvers are a detail of aerodynamic and this probably not going to give them a big advantage I think.

The side pod is similar but not the same.

[AlainProst]

Different side pod shape, different cooling exits and horizontal louvers at the bottom of the rear wing endplate to name a few aero changes.

No, just have a look on F14-T and SF15-t and you will see that side pods shapes are the same. After that, have a look to MP4-30 or RB 11 above and look who narrow are sidepods. Ok, cooling exits are a little closer than last year but it's not as significant than on the Lotus for example.To finish, horizontal louvers are a detail of aerodynamic and this probably not going to give them a big advantage I think.

The side pod is similar but not the same.

Ok but they are very differnt than McLaren-Honda and Red Bull or Mercedes. Cooling exits also so I think this Ferarri is just a good evolution of the disastrous F14-T .

It's not time to make prognostics because last year, at the stage of the season, no one would have predicted the unfolding of the season !

[f1316]

Ok but they are very differnt than McLaren-Honda and Red Bull or Mercedes. Cooling exits also so I think this Ferarri is just a good evolution of the disastrous F14-T .

It's not time to make prognostics because last year, at the stage of the season, no one would have predicted the unfolding of the season !

I'm not sure that's true - I think it was immediately quite clear that Mercedes were likely to be the class of the field.

Also, there seems to be a lot of talk about sidepods being like mclaren's and red bull's - I.e. Small and tight- being good and bigger ones automatically being worse. Regardless of whose are the smallest (and I still hold that mclaren's are very long) there's no evidence that smaller is necessarily better in and of itself.

[Cuky]

Also, there seems to be a lot of talk about sidepods being like mclaren's and red bull's - I.e. Small and tight- being good and bigger ones automatically being worse. Regardless of whose are the smallest (and I still hold that mclaren's are very long) there's no evidence that smaller is necessarily better in and of itself.

well, I think that you can have sidepods as small as you want, but if you can't keep inner components cool enough and airflow attached on the outside they are not good.

I am not an aerodynamics expert, but I would think that it is more important to have quality over quantity when airflow is considered. With less but better flow you can do more than with more but unpredictable one.

[markp]

Ferrari had most floor space behind sidepods in 2013 but did not go great. Toro Rosso few years back with full undercut giving near on double floor but did not go well even for them. Sauber skinny sidepods 2013 were worse than relatively larve sidepods in 2012. If you won due to sidepods size or size of coke bottle only you would put most parts high up to get small sidepods. There will be a point of equilibrium with your requirements and to have small sidepods effects other areas and it does not always give a net gain. You can have too much of a good thing sometimes.

[Shrieker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQzMrbDtndE

Does that mean it might take a bit longer for the car to put heat into the front tyres ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQzMrbDtndE

Do people even read threads?

Yes it's a repost, but quite frankly i wouldn't have seen that cool vid without him reposting it

[Mesteño]

Also, there seems to be a lot of talk about sidepods being like mclaren's and red bull's - I.e. Small and tight- being good and bigger ones automatically being worse. Regardless of whose are the smallest (and I still hold that mclaren's are very long) there's no evidence that smaller is necessarily better in and of itself.

It is not necessarily better but we can't not deny its aerodynamic importance. And I think there's an evidence: remember, we are talkin about Adrian Newey and Peter Prodromou, who designed one type of car that dominated the sport, one very skinny in the rear.

[George-Jung]

It is not necessarily better but we can't not deny its aerodynamic importance. And I think there's an evidence: remember, we are talkin about Adrian Newey and Peter Prodromou, who designed one type of car that dominated the sport, one very skinny in the rear.

It had to do with more, than just a skinny rear..
(flexing front wing, blown diffuser, engine mapping.. etc..)

[Sevach]

There's more than one way to skin a cat, Red Bull pods hug the radiators closely minimizing the size of the pods, Ferrari has a smooth round shape trying to make the air stay attached.
Maybe it's a case of confirmation bias, but Ferrari's round sidepods remind me of Lotus designs when Alisson and De Beer where there.

And yes, you could argue that this style was on F 14T already, but on the SF 15T it flows smoothly from front to the back of the pods(not to mention a proper undercut) on the F 14T it looks like it was implemented mid-project.

[f300v10]

The SF15-T and F14T do not share the same sidepod shape. Yes, they both have an inlet in the front, and exit at the rear, and they are both red and black. Beyond that they are very different. The F14T had a very wide base going to the edge of the floor, and a very sharp turn back to the centerline in the coke bottle area. The SF15-T has a full length undercut, and a more gradual curve inward at the coke bottle. The majority of the side pod volume in the F14T is further forward and lower in the chassis. The SF15-T volume is higher and longer, much closer to the RB10. The below image from AMUS clearly shows the differences, and they are not minor.

[George-Jung]

If I am correct the F14T has a more "over-cut" style sidepod.. and the SF15-T has a more "under-cut" style sidepod..

[Moose]

If I am correct the F14T has a more "over-cut" style sidepod.. and the SF15-T has a more "under-cut" style sidepod..

No, they're both overcoat. The SF15-T just moves a bunch of stuff backwards and upwards. If anything, I'd suggest that the SF15-T has the same philosophy as the F14T, but needs to fit more stuff into the side pods. That's hardly unexpected. They got a big boost in performance from the engine, so they probably have to deal with more heat.

[Mui]

It looks like they've gone with horizontal radiators as oppose to last years vertical standing ones. Would explain the better undercut at the front to mid portion of the sidepods.

[timbo]

It looks like they've gone with horizontal radiators as oppose to last years vertical standing ones. Would explain the better undercut at the front to mid portion of the sidepods.

They were not exactly vertical last year:

[giantfan10]

If I am correct the F14T has a more "over-cut" style sidepod.. and the SF15-T has a more "under-cut" style sidepod..

No, they're both overcoat. The SF15-T just moves a bunch of stuff backwards and upwards. If anything, I'd suggest that the SF15-T has the same philosophy as the F14T, but needs to fit more stuff into the side pods. That's hardly unexpected. They got a big boost in performance from the engine, so they probably have to deal with more heat.

i do remember it being posted somewhere that ferrari has a new more expensive radiator(Mezzotech is the name of the company) that is 15% more efficient than last years version here is a comparison with the mercedes... looks like ferraris "bulge" is on the rear half of the radiator pod and the mercedes "bulge" is higher up behind the air intake, interesting differences in packaging.

this is the comparison with the williams from the rear.. notice how the ferrari intake is a lot skinnier than the williams

best view to actually see how much different the SF15-T is from the F14-T