Mclaren MP4-30 Honda

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This is the first time the car has run with any of the new parts. I would expect McLaren to be taking it carefully in P1 and P2. I doubt the engine is turned up yet.

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About that new Front Wing that should turn up tomorrow. Is there any Information how many they will get and if it's only one who will get to try it?
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I wonder what goes on in Alonso's mind when fighting with the Manors at he greatest track of the year?

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ChrisM40 wrote:This is the first time the car has run with any of the new parts. I would expect McLaren to be taking it carefully in P1 and P2. I doubt the engine is turned up yet.
sorry but i guess we all are in false hopes.that car is loosing 1sec per sector. in sector1 it is .8 sec slow. i guess chasis is also not good as it does not make up anything in next 2 sectors and goes on to loose more.

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max_speed wrote: sorry but i guess we all are in false hopes.that car is loosing 1sec per sector. in sector1 it is .8 sec slow. i guess chasis is also not good as it does not make up anything in next 2 sectors and goes on to loose more.
Look at sector 3 at Spa, not even the best chassie in the world would make up for lack of engine performance on sector 3. Engine performance is somewhat important on sector 2 also so i dont know why you would write off the chassie on that premise.

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Basically my prospect is: McLaren's chassis is not the best on the grid and the PU is clearly the worst. That wouldn't be that bad, since the worse parts usually allow for the fastest improvements, but after half a season that clearly doesn't look like it's the case. They've had clear upgrades, but the other teams seem to be imprpvi g even faster than they are on the latest weekend. I've done the calculations and their deficit to RB is almost as big in percentage as Lotus' to Merc.
If they don't improve faster than the other constructors, which they aren't, they're gonna have to pull the greatest comeback in the history of motorsport in the next seasons. Otherwise this whole parnership is fated to become the biggest flop I've seen since I follow F1.
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One of the worst joint operations in the last 2 decades was definetly Arrows with Hart engines. Especially 1998 when both engines simultaniesly broke down. 1999 season was even worse.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows

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This sucks. A 3% increase in power is being reported. 120 hp down on Mercedes means anywhere from 700 to 720 hp the Honda is pushing out all systems working. So 3% increase is a mere 22hp more. I say these reports are reverse engineered rubbish.

Anywhoo.. I hope Honda are just, you know... testing the engine before they turn up the power for free practice three.
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Anyone having the speeds at the sector time measuring points?
I can't find them... :/

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I spoke to an engineer who works for McLaren recently and he says the data shows the chassis is - whilst not a Mercedes beater - along the lines of Ferrari and Red Bull performance. Stavelot is a medium-speed corner so even if the PU top end speed isnt great, the car is getting up to speed fairly quickly and the car is able to carry speed through these types of corners.

Anyone got any sector times?

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^^ From the last page, I think this is FP1
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PhillipM wrote:I'd wait and see first, they're probably collecting data before ramping it up a bit - the car seemed to stop almost dead at around 300kph which was strange.
admittedly not fastest, but not 300 neither
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proteus wrote:One of the worst joint operations in the last 2 decades was definetly Arrows with Hart engines. Especially 1998 when both engines simultaniesly broke down. 1999 season was even worse.
In that case neither Arrows nor Hart had the history (and hype) that McLaren and Honda do.

For me one of the biggest mistakes of the partnership was the hype from inside the team, from the beginning the only thing they talked about was world titles, that's one of the main factors for the disappointment that surrounds the team. Of course, no one would expect McHonda to have such a slow start, but for me they should've kept expectations at a reasonable level, and leave the hype for people outside the team, that way no one could blame them.
If I recall 2010, when Mercedes joined the grid, I don't remember they hyping their team half as much as McLaren is, and 5 years later they're coming to their second season of complete domination, the same with Red Bull in 2005.
I believe McLaren only did all that laud because of their desperate search for a main sponsor, but in the long term it backfired terribly.

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The engine problems hurt the chassis developement beyond chances of recovery, at least on this season I think.
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Trouble being that I can't see things getting any better next season.