2016 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, Thu 26 – Sun 29 May

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GPR-A wrote:
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Nico proves to be a ginger. He had the opportunity to do the job and he didn't.

So, Red Bull has come of age!!! Wow, that is so cool. Thanks for Ferrari for holding station and now they can step aside.
Nonsense. Ricciardo was the best today, this lap was imposible to improve. Nico has done the best he could have done today.
Lewis was up in Sector 1 and if that was a normal qualifying, he could have been on pole. You are right, THAT IS ALL NICO CAN DO !!! Just goes on to prove that, when competition heats up, THIS IS ALL HE CAN DO, be second rate!
Which proves how much the last 2 years have been completely because of the car and a lot of better luck, than on raw skill set. That's just the sad fact of the matter. I hope Lewis can win another championship because of his skill set, rather than just cruising. I mean really. If Nico wins the WDC will anyone believe he's the most worthy and best driver in the field? Even top three? Come on. He's just in the right car at the right time with a teammate that has constant engine problems. Smh.

Thank god Newey has saved the year from a walk away. The RB was unbeatable in sector 3. RIC well done lad.

What the hell is going on with Lewis' car?? Can someone tell me how the team has the car in the pit and then do not remove the extra laps of fuel before sending him out? It's almost like sabotage. Did they tell him, "oops we forgot to take out the extra fuel, drive around and get rid of it because there's not enough to do two timed laps, but too much to do a fast enough single lap."

Does anyone know what happened because this seems very odd to leave fuel in the car. I'm not a conspiracy guy whatsoever (I'm with the Steve Matchett opinion in garage equality), but you simply cannot blame incompetence if this is what happened. To leave that much fuel in the car had to be purposed in some way. I can't make sense of him driving around so many laps destroying the tires as a part of the best strategy to win.

Clarification here would be nice.
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It's Monaco, you never know what is going to happen, a red flag, session cancelled etc. So to make sure that HAM had at least a time on the board they sent him out early. Sort of poor damage control as the other drivers were out two laps after.
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My thoughts on Daniel's strategy of starting the race on SS tyres: It is as he said, he has more options in the race. He can do things like back up the pack and force his rivals to burn their tyres out, and if they try to pit they will fall back into traffic. If they decide to keep following, he can up the pace and pull the field apart creating a gap to pit. On deciding when he pits though, he will want to do the over-cut if the gap is not big. In Monaco the tyres take a few laps to warm up so he will want a big gap before he does the undercut. If the gap is small, he can take advantage of his more durable tyres and stay out to do the over-cut. The only things that can mess his plans up are rain, safety car or a crazy backmarker.
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Andres125sx wrote:
Sevach wrote:Well there's 9 tenths in Q3, i can say with certainty, Mclaren superchassis™ is a myth.
I find it amazing how people enjoy exaggerating :roll:

Nobody said it´s a superchasis, they said it´s 3th-4th right now. To me that´s quite far from a superchasis. For McLaren it will only be a superchasis when it is the best on the grid.

They said it´s 3th-4th, and it looks like it´s 5th-6th. Ok, they obviously were too optimistic (this shouldn´t be a surprise), but not that far off as some of you try to show

And you should also take into consideration the PU play a role too, even in Monaco the weakest PU is still a handicap


BTW, supposedly they had traction problems, but those evolved to understeer problems.... Could it be they did something to improve traction wich ruined front grip? My knownledge about F1 cars setups are too limited, and I find this weird :?:
Boullier said we are 3rd, not 3-4, and they could only muster 6th, that's a huge miscalculation in my book.
Which will only get worst on tracks that drag makes a difference, Williams will be better too.

The biggest Honda handicap is when fuel consumption comes into play, in terms of qualifying Mclaren in Monaco is the same thing as everywhere else.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:My thoughts on Daniel's strategy of starting the race on SS tyres: It is as he said, he has more options in the race. He can do things like back up the pack and force his rivals to burn their tyres out, and if they try to pit they will fall back into traffic. If they decide to keep following, he can up the pace and pull the field apart creating a gap to pit. On deciding when he pits though, he will want to do the over-cut if the gap is not big. In Monaco the tyres take a few laps to warm up so he will want a big gap before he does the undercut. If the gap is small, he can take advantage of his more durable tyres and stay out to do the over-cut. The only things that can mess his plans up are rain, safety car or a crazy backmarker.
In a normal dry 1 stop race Mercedes should be winning on tyre strategy. They will gain a lot of time when they have new SS while Ricciardo is still on his old SS and when he finally pits for his US will be behind both Mercedes and no way to pass. Ric could pit at the same time as the Mercedes for S and stay in front to do a pretty much guaranteed one stopper. But i doubt anyone thinks that they need to stop twice.
On the other hand if it begins to rain when the Mercedes have pitted already Ricciardo will save a stop.

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I suspect he wil go slow from start, keeping the midfield close, so Mercedes cannot pit early. Then banker when the others are on supersoft, until they are on speed. Use the gap to pit to soft and run till the end. So unless Hamilton does a Picquet after Rosberg pits for tyres, Ricciardo has a very good chance on winning.

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ChrisDanger wrote:
carisi2k wrote:When it is a harmless one like that yes.
No collision is harmless. Even if there are no physical injuries there is still great disappointment. Especially when both cars of one team are out on the first lap. That's millions of pounds and a few weeks work wasted with a few hundred team members gutted at the result (and probably many fans too). It's unfortunate that you find humour in this.
Everything you mentioned was exactly why it was funny. Nobody was hurt and it cost Mercedes in monetary terms and Lewis and Nico in Championship points. Similar situations happened at Red Bull and McLaren in the past. It was also caused by Lewis breaking too early in the first corner and Nico with his mode settings in the 3rd corner.

But the biggest laugh came with the Mercedes out of the race it opened up a battle between Red Bull and Ferrari that we really haven't had for the lead in a GP for quite some time.

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carisi2k wrote:
ChrisDanger wrote:
carisi2k wrote:When it is a harmless one like that yes.
No collision is harmless. Even if there are no physical injuries there is still great disappointment. Especially when both cars of one team are out on the first lap. That's millions of pounds and a few weeks work wasted with a few hundred team members gutted at the result (and probably many fans too). It's unfortunate that you find humour in this.
Everything you mentioned was exactly why it was funny. Nobody was hurt and it cost Mercedes in monetary terms and Lewis and Nico in Championship points. Similar situations happened at Red Bull and McLaren in the past. It was also caused by Lewis breaking too early in the first corner and Nico with his mode settings in the 3rd corner.

But the biggest laugh came with the Mercedes out of the race it opened up a battle between Red Bull and Ferrari that we really haven't had for the lead in a GP for quite some time.
No, the biggest laugh is that Red Bull and Ferrari can't beat Mercedes, so what you saw in Spain was 2nd best racing, I will give Max credit for staying ahead of Kimi to take first, but if you think for one sec that Max could do the same to Nico or Lewis, you'd only be fooling yourself!
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KBM Racing wrote:
carisi2k wrote:
ChrisDanger wrote: No collision is harmless. Even if there are no physical injuries there is still great disappointment. Especially when both cars of one team are out on the first lap. That's millions of pounds and a few weeks work wasted with a few hundred team members gutted at the result (and probably many fans too). It's unfortunate that you find humour in this.
Everything you mentioned was exactly why it was funny. Nobody was hurt and it cost Mercedes in monetary terms and Lewis and Nico in Championship points. Similar situations happened at Red Bull and McLaren in the past. It was also caused by Lewis breaking too early in the first corner and Nico with his mode settings in the 3rd corner.

But the biggest laugh came with the Mercedes out of the race it opened up a battle between Red Bull and Ferrari that we really haven't had for the lead in a GP for quite some time.
No, the biggest laugh is that Red Bull and Ferrari can't beat Mercedes, so what you saw in Spain was 2nd best racing, I will give Max credit for staying ahead of Kimi to take first, but if you think for one sec that Max could do the same to Nico or Lewis, you'd only be fooling yourself!
Didn't Verstappen keep Lewis behind him in Australia to the point that he had to box to switch strategy? And that was in a Torro Rosso.

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It's going to be wet at the start of the race so Riccardo's strategy basically went out the window along with everyone else's.
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Ricciardo's laps were utterly sensational and that lap on the super soft tires in q2 was simply epic.

He really was the class of the field today.
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djos wrote:Ricciardo's laps were utterly sensational and that lap on the super soft tires in q2 was simply epic.

He really was the class of the field today.
+1
Really great to see RIC be given a competitive car. Nice to see what he does when properly equipped.
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Weather forecasts for the race at the moment are 20C with Thunderstorms...Wait a second;

1996: Third best driver qualifies on pole with the two championship contenders behind him, French driver starting 14th with rain inevitable.
2016: Third best driver qualifies on pole with the two championship contenders behind him, French driver starting 14th with rain inevitable.

Guys, place ya bets on Grosjean, this is gonna be 1996 all over again!
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In the lekely event that we have a wet race,
are we in for a zero stop procession on inters??
--or maybe teams waiting for late race red flag??

Do we still have that rule that FIA tell everyone
what tyre to use??