2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Bomber_Pilot wrote:I don't think there was anything wrong with that radio message:


2. Indication of a critical problem with the car. Any message of this sort may only be used if failure of a component or system is imminent and potentially terminal..
Yet FI weren't allowed to tell Perez his brakes were about to fail in Austria. Bizarre.
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GrizzleBoy wrote:
This is allowed. Does this cover Nico?
We won't know until the stewards put away their beers and get to work... :lol:
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IMHO Ferrari/Vettel should have changed to intermediates before the lap before the safety car ha entered since it was already 2 laps that pilots were sayng it would be ready for inters soon (if it is possible to change from rain to inter under safety car has the italian sky commentators have told).
In that way Vettel would have lost less time and probably would have been ahead of a lot of cars that have pitted when the safety car has gone in.
Moreover he would have avoided to wait for Raikkonen to pit.
What do you think.

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iotar__ wrote:- Silverstone awfully boring track, even wet and(!) changeable conditions cannot save it.
- Mercedes & British Grand Prix = guaranteed problems for Rosberg - gearbox for the second time, strategy '15.
- Ferrari drivers - just awful race. Vettel errors, 5 s for forcing off track is funny, never heard that penalty before. Inventive from FIA :-) Raikkonen - painful to watch behind Perez How much quicker this Ferrari was?35 behind slower RB.
Oh please, even a bad Silvertone race is better than most tracks good ones. Maybe Rosbergs driving style just isnt conducive to gearbox reliability at Silverstone. Stop with the painfully thinly veiled bias, again.

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Should be a cracking race in Budapest ... another Merc - RBR battle ... I can`t wait ...
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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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stuartpengs wrote:
Yet FI weren't allowed to tell Perez his brakes were about to fail in Austria. Bizarre.
Yes. That was quite bizarre and now we have this happen. I think they may come down hard on Nico and Mercedes only because they reiterated the rules on radio communications just after Perez

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iotar__ wrote:- Silverstone awfully boring track, even wet and(!) changeable conditions cannot save it.
- Mercedes & British Grand Prix = guaranteed problems for Rosberg - gearbox for the second time, strategy '15.
- Ferrari drivers - just awful race. Vettel errors, 5 s for forcing off track is funny, never heard that penalty before. Inventive from FIA :-) Raikkonen - painful to watch behind Perez How much quicker this Ferrari was?35 behind slower RB.
Nico did alright in 13. Handed to him on a plate. Not all bad for him there
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What a stupid race. They should strip full wet tyres. No use from them. Ban Safety car

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For Mercedes, getting a penalty and some points is better than retiring with no points and with a dead 'box.
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void wrote:
Bomber_Pilot wrote: 2. Indication of a critical problem with the car. Any message of this sort may only be used if failure of a component or system is imminent and potentially terminal.
"Gearbox failure!" That message is aceptable. But not "Press ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A to fix the Gearbox Failure!"
You forgot start :)

Back on track - What's the point then? It doesn't help to tell someone that his gearbox is about to explode. It's one thing, to not be able to tell someone that he is in the wrong engine mode and how to get back into the right one (unles it's going to damage the car) and a completely different thing, telling someone what to do, for his gearbox not to fail.

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Could Nico be needing a new Gearbox for hungary. 5 place penalty in a place hard to overtake ?
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Just_a_fan wrote:For Mercedes, getting a penalty and some points is better than retiring with no points and with a dead 'box.
That's the point though. Without that info it's no points for Rosberg.

So how do the stewards see it?

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Bomber_Pilot wrote:I don't think there was anything wrong with that radio message:

2. Indication of a critical problem with the car. Any message of this sort may only be used if failure of a component or system is imminent and potentially terminal.
Telling someone how to fix a problem is not the same as telling them that there is a problem. The rule you bolded only applies in the latter case.

I think the rules are pretty poor in this area and it's led to a heck of a lot less traffic for the fans to hear too (although I believe that's due to Bernie clamping down on FOM and hiding it under the cloak of this rule). That it's only going to get worse is disheartening.
2007 - Beats 2005 & 2006 WDC Alonso. 1-0
2008-09 - Beats Kovalainen. 2-0
2010-12 - Beats 2009 WDC Button. 2-1
2013-16 - Beats 2016 WDC Rosberg. 3-1
2017-21 - Beats Bottas. 5-0
2022-24 - Loses to Russell. 1-2 (but outscores him)
2025-?? - Leclerc. TBC
Just the car???

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Did I just see them moving a red bull after the presentation?

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Well his Gbox was jammed in 7th. And after some buttons he managed to solve that