2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Yet another great track and potentially great race ruined by idiotic decisions made by those directing the race. This is what is driving fans away, not the technical regulations about the cars.

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So there is the rule but they still haven't choose a penalty? This is absurd...

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ChrisM40 wrote:Yet another great trace and potentially great race ruined by idiotic decisions made by those directing the race. This is what is driving fans away, not the technical regulations about the cars.
To be fair, I don't think there was any chance of Rosberg catching Hamilton. Hamilton had been babying those tyres all race, Rosberg had been thrashing them a second a lap faster to catch up with Max and then spent several laps messing around behind him in the turbulent air. A lap younger they might have been but I just don't see them still being in as good a condition.
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Toto Wolff just claimed "permanent failure" on the gearbox ... but it wasn't permanent, he continued, and we even saw him in 7th gear later on in the onboards ... weird

Mercedes thinks the rules allow you to give instructions to prevent failure, Horner thinks it's just to inform about a failure.

In earlier races Wolff and Lauda claimed they were not allowed to tell the drivers (specifically Rosberg) about imminent failure of the brakes for example.
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Shame about the boos, though I suppose they were inevitable after Austria.

Hamilton looked like a bit of a tool saying there was not much booing immediately before Rosberg was booed heavily for the second time.

Not a terrible race but tyre management was the key here. I don't think Rosberg will be penalised for the messages as it looked pretty critical, but I don't know how it'll be interpreted.

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Toto Wolff will say anything absurd to try to avoid a penalty to his driver. Like the BBW failure last week.

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RZS10 wrote:Toto Wolff just claimed "permanent failure" on the gearbox ... but it wasn't permanent, he continued, and we even saw him in 7th gear later on in the onboards ... weird
Permanent failure if things continued as they were. He changed something, which prevented it.

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Wynters wrote:
Bomber_Pilot wrote:I don't think there was anything wrong with that radio message:

2. Indication of a critical problem with the car. Any message of this sort may only be used if failure of a component or system is imminent and potentially terminal.
Telling someone how to fix a problem is not the same as telling them that there is a problem. The rule you bolded only applies in the latter case.

I think the rules are pretty poor in this area and it's led to a heck of a lot less traffic for the fans to hear too (although I believe that's due to Bernie clamping down on FOM and hiding it under the cloak of this rule). That it's only going to get worse is disheartening.
You and some posts higher up are probably right, but I'd still go with the defense in my previous post, play dumb and hope it goes through.

And just a few words about the start. How often have we seen this now? Race starts behind a safety car, the sc comes in and after two laps everyone is on inters.... Ridiculous.

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SparkyAMG wrote:Shame about the boos, though I suppose they were inevitable after Austria.

Hamilton looked like a bit of a tool saying there was not much booing immediately before Rosberg was booed heavily for the second time.

Not a terrible race but tyre management was the key here. I don't think Rosberg will be penalised for the messages as it looked pretty critical, but I don't know how it'll be interpreted.
I thought Lewis was in a way asking the crowd not to boo, as he knew the mic was going to Nico next.
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Wynters wrote:
ChrisM40 wrote:Yet another great trace and potentially great race ruined by idiotic decisions made by those directing the race. This is what is driving fans away, not the technical regulations about the cars.
To be fair, I don't think there was any chance of Rosberg catching Hamilton. Hamilton had been babying those tyres all race, Rosberg had been thrashing them a second a lap faster to catch up with Max and then spent several laps messing around behind him in the turbulent air. A lap younger they might have been but I just don't see them still being in as good a condition.
Rosberg's tyres were the same age as they pitted him directly behind Hamilton.
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NathanOlder wrote:
SparkyAMG wrote:Shame about the boos, though I suppose they were inevitable after Austria.

Hamilton looked like a bit of a tool saying there was not much booing immediately before Rosberg was booed heavily for the second time.

Not a terrible race but tyre management was the key here. I don't think Rosberg will be penalised for the messages as it looked pretty critical, but I don't know how it'll be interpreted.
I thought Lewis was in a way asking the crowd not to boo, as he knew the mic was going to Nico next.
I think it was a dig at the Austrian crowd, he did not deserved the boo's at that race.

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It's so annoying hearing that drivers are not going to the maximum to conserve tyres or engine components.

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hollowBallistix wrote:It's so annoying hearing that drivers are not going to the maximum to conserve tyres or engine components.
Conserving Tyres is something that alwas played a part in F1 racing except maybe the Bridgestone era?
It is something you can gain an advantage from.

But i agree with you on the engine components :wink:

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hollowBallistix wrote:It's so annoying hearing that drivers are not going to the maximum to conserve tyres or engine components.
They have always conserved tyres in F1, its not a new thing. The engines though yes, but they rarely do that unless they dont have a hope of improving their position.

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Horner crying about the radio message.

Claims it to be driver coaching for a team to ask a driver to reset the gearbox settings to ensure it doesn't fail.
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