2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

[ChrisDanger]

lol

Hamilton yesterday commenting on the banner: https://youtu.be/ssyxMDENVYg?t=1m32s

[stuartpengs]

Unless the only way you can convey that is by highlighting how marginal they are, therefore instructing the driver to go easy on the brakes and lift-and-coast; would that then be viewed as driver coaching? I'm guessing the devil is in the detail regarding the driver's reaction to the instruction. Change a mode seems acceptable, altering their driving style as the result of an instruction doesn't.

Altering a driving style or changing a mode to avoid a retirement is, in my opinion, the same thing (EDIT: clarifications: of course it isn't the same thing, but the result is the same). Braking issues are even more dangerous to safety... But that's very thin ice.

Moreover I think it is absurd that there isn't any punition on the rules. Now the steward are in a very bad position.

But you can apply that to something as simple as running out of fuel. The key part is the driver coaching is specifically banned,

[komninosm]

Thanks JAF,

Well, if the Stewards have the stones to impose a pen, then it would could likely be viewed as a British driver getting a helping hand in the championship over his WDC leading team mate.
Feels wrong, especially when the Radio rules were instilled to stop "excessive driver coaching", it's gradually descended to farce.

You mean like how the Stewards gave Rosberg a nonsense 10 second penalty in Austria instead of a 30 second one (causing a collision usually means 10 second pit penalty, usually that translates into 30 seconds time)?

I do agree that the rules were introduced to stop excessive driver coaching, but we got way too strict rules and it also hit Hamilton in Baku where he had a problem not of his fault that should be allowed to be told what was going on. They didn't even tell him what the problem was (that was allowed by the rules) not tell him how to fix it.

[Phil]

Very impressed by Max Verstappen.

[FoxHound]

Thanks JAF,

Well, if the Stewards have the stones to impose a pen, then it would could likely be viewed as a British driver getting a helping hand in the championship over his WDC leading team mate.
Feels wrong, especially when the Radio rules were instilled to stop "excessive driver coaching", it's gradually descended to farce.

You mean like how the Stewards gave Rosberg a nonsense 10 second penalty in Austria instead of a 30 second one (causing a collision usually means 10 second pit penalty, usually that translates into 30 seconds time)?

I wasn't a fan of the penalty imposed there, agree it could have been sterner.

[stuartpengs]

You mean like how the Stewards gave Rosberg a nonsense 10 second penalty in Austria instead of a 30 second one (causing a collision usually means 10 second pit penalty, usually that translates into 30 seconds time)?

Any time penalty applied after the race has ended, or if no more pit stops are taken are only ever the penalty, not the cumulative time for pit entry and exit. There is no 30 second available anyway. A drive through cannot be taken after the race has ended. It's the same for everyone. He was given the maximum time penalty allowable in the situation (retrospective time penalty after the race has ended). Stewards can't invent their own penalties.

[dans79]

Anyone think this will lead to a gearbox issue/penalty for Nico in Hungary?

[GrandAxe]

Max is beginning to overshadow Ricciardo. How long before he is ahead on points?
As for Rosberg, that will most likely come down as driver coaching. According to Horner, his telemetry showed use of all gears after the radio call , including gear 7; therefore, it is debatable that the problem was terminal for the car.

[jknights]

Maybe in light of some of the recent events the stewards need an additional penalty time of 30seconds to be added to their list of sanctions.

[Jolle]

Max is beginning to overshadow Ricciardo. How long before he is ahead on points?
As for Rosberg, that will most likely come down as driver coaching. According to Horner, his telemetry showed use of all gears after the radio call , including gear 7; therefore, it is debatable that the problem was terminal for the car.

Well, since Spain:
HAM 110
VES 74
ROS 71
VET 65
RIC 64
RAI 63

With some luck from his side and bad luck (Italian gearboxes) from the other sides, but he's on the rise!

[dans79]

https://twitter.com/MBrundleF1/status/7 ... 9786248193

[komninosm]

You mean like how the Stewards gave Rosberg a nonsense 10 second penalty in Austria instead of a 30 second one (causing a collision usually means 10 second pit penalty, usually that translates into 30 seconds time)?

Any time penalty applied after the race has ended, or if no more pit stops are taken are only ever the penalty, not the cumulative time for pit entry and exit. There is no 30 second available anyway. A drive through cannot be taken after the race has ended. It's the same for everyone. He was given the maximum time penalty allowable in the situation (retrospective time penalty after the race has ended). Stewards can't invent their own penalties.

Can you quote the rules on that?
I'm pretty sure it used to be different in previous years at least.
There are also other penalties too, like grid, no points for driver, DSQ, etc.

Or how about now. Do the rules actually state a specific penalty for "driver coaching" radio? It's all BS imho

[jurinius]

Very impressed by Max Verstappen.

His defense against Rosberg was a remake but to be able to finish the race after that "easily" is very impressive ! Ric still have the pace but need to fight to be on top at every race. The first time max out-qualified him he managed to grab another podium.

[Fulcrum]

It's 74-64 in favour of Max since he joined Red Bull. In the last four races its 49-34 in his favour. If he hadn't crashed in Monaco he might already be in front - but he did crash in Monaco.

It will be interesting to see how he goes against Ricciardo in Hungary, as Ricciardo is usually very quick there. I would expect Ric. to continue to edge the qualifying situation, but imo Max appears to have a small edge during the races, which would be magnified were he to qualify ahead. Qualifying behind, they appear to be more even than may actually be the case.

Over the course of the season it might depend on how many mistakes Max makes. Ricciardo doesn't make many, he is experienced, he is consistent - he's finished 4th five times in ten races. If Max improves in qualifying and doesn't make any unforced errors, I think he'll come out ahead.

[stuartpengs]

Can you quote the rules on that?
I'm pretty sure it used to be different in previous years at least.
There are also other penalties too, like grid, no points for driver, DSQ, etc.

Or how about now. Do the rules actually state a specific penalty for "driver coaching" radio? It's all BS imho

Nope, but feel free to look for them.

You're right it did used to be different, though in its current format the retrospective time penalties after a race has ended are 5 or 10 seconds. There is no 10 second penalty that requires a mandatory trip to the pits - it's counted down before work can be carried out on the car for a scheduled stop, similarly for a 5 second penalty. If no more visits to the pits are taken that time penalty is added at the end of the race. A more severe penalty is a drive-through though for obvious reasons that has to be given during the race and doesn't include an additional time penalty. There were no other penalties available for the Rosberg incident in Austria so I'm not really seeing the problem. He was fortunate he had a sufficient gap to absorb that 10 seconds though had it been closer he would have lost more positions.

As for today's incident; if found guilty I would expect either a 5 or 10 second penalty to be applied. Disqualification would be a little harsh in my opinion.

If you have evidence to the contrary - I'm all ears.