2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

[Restomaniac]

Holy s***, how many pages only to speak about the same thing?

Hamilton, perfect race, a mistake with the SC which could have costed him everything.

Rosberg. I guess he wilL pray for sunny races because its his only chance to win this WC. The penalty is clear.

Verstapen, an spectacular overtake, very good pace and once again in front of Ricciardo. Amazing.

Ferrari, what the hell? the involution of the car is hard to understand. Terrible race for Sebastian...

Perez and Sainz did great races but some mistakes are costly.... as well as Alonso, he was doing a great race but...

Winner of the day? the first corner hahaha. When have we seen almost all the best drivers doing mistakes at the same place?? Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso, Verstappen, Sainz... All of them awesome racers in the wet but no one could defeat the mighty(and wet) first corner.

The irony is that Rosberg who as you say isn't the best wet driver was clear through corner 1 the entire race.

[Vasconia]

The irony is that Rosberg who as you say isn't the best wet driver was clear through corner 1 the entire race.

Hahaha, yo´re right. Was Massa clear too? because that would be somekind of a clear sign of an ucomping Apocalypsis.

[Jolle]

The irony is that Rosberg who as you say isn't the best wet driver was clear through corner 1 the entire race.

Hahaha, yo´re right. Was Massa clear too? because that would be somekind of a clear sign of an ucomping Apocalypsis.

Hmmm, something with speed, risk and going fast...

[ClarkBT11]

In the heat of the moment Nico's engineer answered a question put to him unexpectedly just as you or I would.

This is precisely why the penalty bothers me. These guys are here to race, and not to earn a degree in communication or to play a game of gotcha. A rule is a rule, and based on the rule, I believe the stewards gave the correct penalty, but it still bothers me. The points loss could prove to be very costly to Rosberg at the end of the season. If Hamilton wins the WDC, I hope he wins it with enough difference to make the whole thing moot.

If he didn't get the message from his engineer he wouldn't of finished. I think you would feel a lot worse if that happened....

[WaikeCU]

I wonder if we could seperate the masterful from the greats yesterday in the race. I know none of the cars are the same in handling, but watching how Lewis and Max managed to catch the car when losing it on a lightly damp Turn 1 compared others who simply lost it, tells me some have better reflexes than others. I could be wrong, because the Ferrari's struggled as well in Turn 1 and have lost the rear going into it. Kimi said the team desperately need to find more downforce, because it's the area where they are losing out to the competition. In changing conditions this has hurt them clearly now.

[henry]

"The driver must drive the car unaided"

So after this race a Mercedes engineer, not the driver, analyses what happened with car 6's gearbox. He realises that there are some tell tale symptoms that can identify the problem. A software engineer, not the driver, writes some code to detect the situation and put a message on the steering wheel display about the need to do a chassis reset. Better still the code tells the driver a reset is coming, does it and reprograms the shift sequence to 6-8 8-6.

Is the driver unaided?

Since the restriction of radio messages I have noticed an increase of complexity steering wheel displays as the teams get the car to give the driver information he previously got from his race engineer. So we get a small arms race. My on-car data processing engineer is better than yours. Ah but my UI designer is streets ahead. Meanwhile the driver takes the plaudits.

It's a team sport. Increasingly so. If the FIA don't want that then we need to go back to a period when engineering wasn't important. Horses and chariots anyone?

[GPR-A duplicate2]

The irony is that Rosberg who as you say isn't the best wet driver was clear through corner 1 the entire race.

Ironically, you point is contrary to that. He is actually not the best wet driver. Because, you can go slow and be consistent. The bravado is to push the limits to get that last tenth available, at the cost of going off sometimes. That is why, Lewis disappeared at the start and Max caught and passed Nico. That is racing, be ready to push at the expense of losing out sometimes.

[Jef Patat]

The irony is that Rosberg who as you say isn't the best wet driver was clear through corner 1 the entire race.

Ironically, you point is contrary to that. He is actually not the best wet driver. Because, you can go slow and be consistent. The bravado is to push the limits to get that last tenth available, at the cost of going off sometimes. That is why, Lewis disappeared at the start and Max caught and passed Nico. That is racing, be ready to push at the expense of losing out sometimes.

Same effort that caused Fernando to go off. Pushing to overtake Massa in those conditions.

[Vasconia]

The irony is that Rosberg who as you say isn't the best wet driver was clear through corner 1 the entire race.

Ironically, you point is contrary to that. He is actually not the best wet driver. Because, you can go slow and be consistent. The bravado is to push the limits to get that last tenth available, at the cost of going off sometimes. That is why, Lewis disappeared at the start and Max caught and passed Nico. That is racing, be ready to push at the expense of losing out sometimes.

Nico´s lap times were much more consitent in the second half of the race and other drivers were still having big troubles with that corner. I agree with you for the first laps though.

[zac510]

"The driver must drive the car unaided"

So after this race a Mercedes engineer, not the driver, analyses what happened with car 6's gearbox. He realises that there are some tell tale symptoms that can identify the problem. A software engineer, not the driver, writes some code to detect the situation and put a message on the steering wheel display about the need to do a chassis reset. Better still the code tells the driver a reset is coming, does it and reprograms the shift sequence to 6-8 8-6.

Is the driver unaided?

Since the restriction of radio messages I have noticed an increase of complexity steering wheel displays as the teams get the car to give the driver information he previously got from his race engineer. So we get a small arms race. My on-car data processing engineer is better than yours. Ah but my UI designer is streets ahead. Meanwhile the driver takes the plaudits.

It's a team sport. Increasingly so. If the FIA don't want that then we need to go back to a period when engineering wasn't important. Horses and chariots anyone?

I think that is perfectly acceptable. Programming better logic and automation into the system is the same as building a better engine or suspension part and if one team can do that better than the other, more podiums to them.

I guess the teams themselves are massively scared about the impact of a false negative signal causing the car to stop or slow signficantly, so are preferring to keep the driver/engineer in the loop instead of going to full automation.

We'd be better taking this discussion back to: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =1&t=24212

[Restomaniac]

The irony is that Rosberg who as you say isn't the best wet driver was clear through corner 1 the entire race.

Hahaha, yo´re right. Was Massa clear too? because that would be somekind of a clear sign of an ucomping Apocalypsis.

[Restomaniac]

The irony is that Rosberg who as you say isn't the best wet driver was clear through corner 1 the entire race.

Ironically, you point is contrary to that. He is actually not the best wet driver. Because, you can go slow and be consistent. The bravado is to push the limits to get that last tenth available, at the cost of going off sometimes. That is why, Lewis disappeared at the start and Max caught and passed Nico. That is racing, be ready to push at the expense of losing out sometimes.

Sorry but it's not.
Rosberg is known not to be great in the wet and yet on a corner that caught most who are good in the wet out he was fine.

That was the top and bottom of my point.

[Sevach]

Very bad weekend for Rosberg, and to make matters worst he will probably need a gearbox in the next race.

[Juzh]

Who wants to bet red bull will beat ferrari in the WDC?

[nokivasara]

I wonder if we could seperate the masterful from the greats yesterday in the race. I know none of the cars are the same in handling, but watching how Lewis and Max managed to catch the car when losing it on a lightly damp Turn 1 compared others who simply lost it, tells me some have better reflexes than others. I could be wrong, because the Ferrari's struggled as well in Turn 1 and have lost the rear going into it. Kimi said the team desperately need to find more downforce, because it's the area where they are losing out to the competition. In changing conditions this has hurt them clearly now.

Well, Hamilton is known to be very good in wet, Max is still young and has good reflexes. Kimi and Alonso are getting old and are beginning to show the same kind of mistakes that we always see during the last few years in a drivers career. Remember Coulthard in the Red Bull and Schumi's comeback...
But that's not really what I think happened here, to be serious I think that those two (Hami & Max) are piloting the best cars for those conditions right now, the Merc being good overall and the Red Bull having the best (?) chassis, so that probably lets the driver know what is about to happen when they loose traction and then it happens in a controlled manor.
Look at the Williams, twiching and going from understeer to oversteer and back in the corners, looked like a handful to say the least. And the Manor gave no mercy at all, just snapped around when it lost traction.
Rosberg never went off but he was going so slowly that it doesn't really count, what does count is that he is perfectly aware of his lack of speed in the wet and that he risks a DNF if he tries to push so he slows down and gathers as many points as possible. That has to be one of his better qualities.