2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

[wickedz50]

Who wants to bet red bull will beat ferrari in the WDC?

There is nothing to bet on this. RBR will come on top come the end of 2016 season without doubt.

[Jolle]

Who wants to bet red bull will beat ferrari in the WDC?

There is nothing to bet on this. RBR will come on top come the end of 2016 season without doubt.

A team that is driving itself into crisis vs a team that is consistently improving itself.... Bit of a no-brainer...

[henry]

"The driver must drive the car unaided"

So after this race a Mercedes engineer, not the driver, analyses what happened with car 6's gearbox. He realises that there are some tell tale symptoms that can identify the problem. A software engineer, not the driver, writes some code to detect the situation and put a message on the steering wheel display about the need to do a chassis reset. Better still the code tells the driver a reset is coming, does it and reprograms the shift sequence to 6-8 8-6.

Is the driver unaided?

Since the restriction of radio messages I have noticed an increase of complexity steering wheel displays as the teams get the car to give the driver information he previously got from his race engineer. So we get a small arms race. My on-car data processing engineer is better than yours. Ah but my UI designer is streets ahead. Meanwhile the driver takes the plaudits.

It's a team sport. Increasingly so. If the FIA don't want that then we need to go back to a period when engineering wasn't important. Horses and chariots anyone?

I think that is perfectly acceptable. Programming better logic and automation into the system is the same as building a better engine or suspension part and if one team can do that better than the other, more podiums to them.

I guess the teams themselves are massively scared about the impact of a false negative signal causing the car to stop or slow signficantly, so are preferring to keep the driver/engineer in the loop instead of going to full automation.

We'd be better taking this discussion back to: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =1&t=24212

I agree it is acceptable.

My point is that the driver is assisted whether it is automation or a conversation with his race engineer.

The teams have now established the cost of keeping the driver/race engineer in the loop. It's 10 seconds. They can factor this into their evaluations of whether best to automate or take a penalty in order to get the car to the finish.

Either way this incident shows clearly that the radio silence rules exist purely to introduce chance and controversy into the races. The pretext that they respond to a fans' desire for no coaching from race engineers is just that. An excuse to spice up the show and keep social media buzzing.

I raised this same issue in the thread you point to. No one wanted to discuss it there, so I raised it here where it seemed appropriate.

[Restomaniac]

Who wants to bet red bull will beat ferrari in the WDC?

There is nothing to bet on this. RBR will come on top come the end of 2016 season without doubt.

A team that is driving itself into crisis vs a team that is consistently improving itself.... Bit of a no-brainer...

Indeed.
I wonder if Vettel is regretting his decision yet?

[F1NAC]

Ferrari will hit them back. You'll see

[giantfan10]

Another Hamilton race. Pretty boring IMO other than the spins and other mistakes. I didn't think Max Verstappen driving was that impressive (other than his overtake around the outside of Rosberg). I thought his driving was messy and IIRC he moved around a lot in the braking zones. Perez was impressive, though.

But where was Ferrari??!!

Finished Right where they started ..lol. the VSC came out and screwed the Ferraris and Ricciardo and that was all she wrote except for the multiple spins from multiple drivers... am i the only one that kept thinking the red bulls were running with their DRS wide open all race? Pretty massive rear wing.. fooled me every time

[Jolle]

There is nothing to bet on this. RBR will come on top come the end of 2016 season without doubt.

A team that is driving itself into crisis vs a team that is consistently improving itself.... Bit of a no-brainer...

Indeed.
I wonder if Vettel is regretting his decision yet?

Well, at the moment there are only two happy drivers in the paddock, Hamilton and Verstappen
But yes, Ferrari looks more and more the problem is becoming long term, with the changes implemented during the last few years (changing management, drivers, tech staff) and no boost in performance this year.

It might that they're working fulltime on the 2017 car, but then the gearboxes wouldn't fail and Vettel would be in a better mood (think of Mercedes 2013, where the drivers were pretty "cool" during the second part of the season).

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Sorry but it's not.
Rosberg is known not to be great in the wet and yet on a corner that caught most who are good in the wet out he was fine. That was the top and bottom of my point.

Enlighten us please.... Give some proof of a SMASHING QUALIFYING IN WET or A THUMPING WET WIN. On the contrary, I can provide tons of videos of his inability to perform under wet. Take the challenge.

[gandharva]

Who wants to bet red bull will beat ferrari in the WDC?

It will be close. There are still lots of tracks in the calender where the sub-par aero of Farrari doesn't matter that much and their engine will then shine. Renault is still a fair bit behind in peak power.

[Restomaniac]

Enlighten us please.... Give some proof of a SMASHING QUALIFYING IN WET or A THUMPING WET WIN. On the contrary, I can provide tons of videos of his inability to perform under wet. Take the challenge.

What on earth are you in about? At no point have I said Rosberg is good in the wet because he isn't and that's the irony of it and what I was talking about. A poor wet driving Rosberg was able to stay on track on a wet corner 1 when others who are quite frankly brilliant in the wet were caught out by a wet corner 1.

I assume you have jumped on my post without reading it properly because otherwise I have no clue about exactly what you are talking about.

[giantfan10]

A team that is driving itself into crisis vs a team that is consistently improving itself.... Bit of a no-brainer...

Indeed.
I wonder if Vettel is regretting his decision yet?

Well, at the moment there are only two happy drivers in the paddock, Hamilton and Verstappen
But yes, Ferrari looks more and more the problem is becoming long term, with the changes implemented during the last few years (changing management, drivers, tech staff) and no boost in performance this year.

It might that they're working fulltime on the 2017 car, but then the gearboxes wouldn't fail and Vettel would be in a better mood (think of Mercedes 2013, where the drivers were pretty "cool" during the second part of the season).

There is only one team happy with their car in Formula one right now.... supposedly now Ferrari stinks and cant develop a car and whatever else but for some reason this team that stinks is leading red bull in the constructors championship 2 years running now....some tracks and conditions suit Ferrari and some suite red bull. Its as simple as that and on average Ferrari has been better than red bull this year. Its not going to rain at every GP this year lol

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Enlighten us please.... Give some proof of a SMASHING QUALIFYING IN WET or A THUMPING WET WIN. On the contrary, I can provide tons of videos of his inability to perform under wet. Take the challenge.

What on earth are you in about? At no point have I said Rosberg is good in the wet because he isn't and that's the irony of it and what I was talking about. A poor wet driving Rosberg was able to stay on track on a wet corner 1 when others who are quite frankly brilliant in the wet were caught out by a wet corner 1.

I assume you have jumped on my post without reading it properly because otherwise I have no clue about exactly what you are talking about.

Errr..... my bad. I missed the "not" in your statement.

[Mattchu]

Not a bad race, Perez is impressing me more and more, he seems to have a very good understanding of the car and tyres.
Ferrari really do seem to have made an error somewhere or maybe it`s just Mercedes and Red Bull especially have made greater strides in recent updates to both engine and aero. I personally don`t think Maurizio Arrivabene is the man for the top job there, he`s a tobacco salesman for crumbs sake!

My highlight (not race wise) was Anthony Davidson at the Skypad showing something or other at the end of the race when a young lady ran directly in front of him............"Hello"

p.s. Hopefully that`s not sexist....is it?

[Restomaniac]

Enlighten us please.... Give some proof of a SMASHING QUALIFYING IN WET or A THUMPING WET WIN. On the contrary, I can provide tons of videos of his inability to perform under wet. Take the challenge.

What on earth are you in about? At no point have I said Rosberg is good in the wet because he isn't and that's the irony of it and what I was talking about. A poor wet driving Rosberg was able to stay on track on a wet corner 1 when others who are quite frankly brilliant in the wet were caught out by a wet corner 1.

I assume you have jumped on my post without reading it properly because otherwise I have no clue about exactly what you are talking about.

Errr..... my bad. I missed the "not" in your statement.

That's fine.
I make many mistakes myself

[GPR-A duplicate2]

There is only one team happy with their car in Formula one right now.... supposedly now Ferrari stinks and cant develop a car and whatever else but for some reason this team that stinks is leading red bull in the constructors championship 2 years running now....some tracks and conditions suit Ferrari and some suite red bull. Its as simple as that and on average Ferrari has been better than red bull this year. Its not going to rain at every GP this year lol

You need to understand the progress curves of either team, which tells a story of contrasting outlooks. There is only Monza and to some extent Spa, that might be a big problem for RBR, but otherwise, they have everything to rejoice about for the remainder of the year. I said this before Canada and Baku that, Ferrari are stand to gain a lot against RBR for these races, which turned out to be true. Now, with Hungary, Singapore, Japan, "Malaysia and USA (with great mix of speed and downforce)", Brazil and Abu Dhabi coming up, RB would stand to gain more than Ferrari due to nature of circuits.

By the end of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if RB would stand as the second best team. There are also multiple reasons to believe this way. Ferrari has thrown the towel on the SF16H to focus on 2017, whereas RBR, traditionally go deep in their development of the cars. Last year, when Newey decided to take a back seat, Dan Fallows took over as the head of aero and he is still leading the current car. With new regulations coming for 2017, Newey is fully involved again for that project. So, RBR has, more or less, equal focus on both seasons. If Ferrari doesn't out develop RBR on the chassis side, they definitely stand to lose more on the above mentioned circuits. Assuming that, Ferrari does introduces a lot of PU upgrades, it wouldn't still help A GREAT DEAL for these circuits, whereas any upgrades from Renault on PU will enhance the development advantage for RBR.