2016 Grand Prix of Mexico - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, 28-30 October

[Just_a_fan]

Then every of track excursion that gave an advantage should've been penalised. Which is surely not the case.

one must be VES fanboy to even begin to argue against that 5sec penalty

any driver that has any respect for other drivers out there, would have given the place in the same lap, him not doing it just shows how green he really is, great driver, but personality of a child

Hamilton cut the chicane at Monaco when he was ahead of Ric, and wasn't asked to give back the place. Same in this race.

If the other driver isn't at least alongside, they are NOT entitled to the position whether their competitor has gained an advantage by leaving the track or not.

Ves position wasn't helped by his team telling him to give the place to Vettel. If they hadn't done that, they might have been able to argue their case.

[turbof1]

I predict this thread being locked in 1....2....3...

Well, no. Member's discussing Vettel's atrocious behaviour is perfectly allowed. Members showing the same atrocious behaviour will lead to a lock. With arguably one or two exceptions, the thread still looks fine.

Vettel will probably be told to tone it down. I can't even remember one single instance a driver got punished for insulting an other person.

[timbo]

Then every of track excursion that gave an advantage should've been penalised. Which is surely not the case.

Except advantages gained are wildly different. In Hamilton's case you mention there actually was no attacking move by Riccardo that Hamilton had to avoid. Had he repeatedly cut the chicane he'd get a warning and if he continued cutting afterwards he'd be penalized.
In Ves/Vet case this race Ves cut the track to avoid clear attacking move by Vet and hadn't he cut the track he'd be overtaken.

[Sniffit]

I predict this thread being locked in 1....2....3...

Well, no. Member's discussing Vettel's atrocious behaviour is perfectly allowed. Members showing the same atrocious behaviour will lead to a lock. With arguably one or two exceptions, the thread still looks fine.

Vettel will probably be told to tone it down. I can't even remember one single instance a driver got punished for insulting an other person.

My faith in internet people (that includes myself) was obviously flawed, I guess even us internet denizens can behave at times

[proteus]

I predict this thread being locked in 1....2....3...

Well, no. Member's discussing Vettel's atrocious behaviour is perfectly allowed. Members showing the same atrocious behaviour will lead to a lock. With arguably one or two exceptions, the thread still looks fine.

Vettel will probably be told to tone it down. I can't even remember one single instance a driver got punished for insulting an other person.

Hamilton had to apologize for saying the stewards are punishing him for being black, back in the Mclaren days. I dont know if he had only to apologize, or did he received a financial penalty as well.

[andartop]

I find it a bit sad when I watch races like this, thinking of all the effort the engineers and mechanics put in, all that brainpower, all the late nights working and all the millions spent to gain 0.1sec/lap, all the travelling and moving this whole circus around the globe, all the missed family and friend moments for all the people involved in setting it up, for the volunteer marshals who risk their lives, and for all the people watching in their TVs, and for all the drivers who spend all their youth training hard and fighting to get the sponsors to go from karting to lower formulae to have a chance to end up in F1, all the work to set up the car perfectly through the practice sessions, and all the sweat to qualify as high as possible, to then just suddenly forget about all that and go YEEEHAW in the first corner or the last lap of a race and throw everything out the window...

The way things are going it won't be long, I'm afraid, before someone comes up with the 'brilliant' idea to eliminate the weakest link in this business of racing, which is none other than these drivers. It won't be long before we have Google and Uber sponsoring Formula 1 to race their driverless technological marvels against each other, safe in the knowledge that their billions spent to develop these cars will not be turned into a pile of garbage by some reckless spoiled brat trying to disprove basic laws of physics.

Either that or I am just getting too old for this $h!t.

[cooken]

After looking again, I still am inclined to think Vet on Ric is a racing incident. He moved very slightly, and Ric still had lots of room. This is very different to what Ves did in Japan where he completely cut in front of Ham.

Actually I'm still a bit conflicted about it, I don't think I would have a problem with Vet getting a penalty either.

With respect to radio expletives, well the while lot of them, FOM, FIA had it coming by their pathetic set of rules and farcical attempts to enforce them.

[turbof1]

I predict this thread being locked in 1....2....3...

Well, no. Member's discussing Vettel's atrocious behaviour is perfectly allowed. Members showing the same atrocious behaviour will lead to a lock. With arguably one or two exceptions, the thread still looks fine.

Vettel will probably be told to tone it down. I can't even remember one single instance a driver got punished for insulting an other person.

Hamilton had to apologize for saying the stewards are punishing him for being black, back in the Mclaren days. I dont know if he had only to apologize, or did he received a financial penalty as well.

Ah yes, Monaco 2011 I believe. I guess you can hand out penalties based on unsportmanship behaviour. A fine is probable, but something like being DSQ'd or a time penalty is I think never given for this.

[sosic2121]

It also cost RedBull a 3rd place finish. Had Verstappen moved aside, Ricciardo would have caught Vettel with no issues....probably passed under DRS and sailed off into the sunset.

Maybe ric would pass vet, maybe he would not, but we will never know since certain driver ran out of talent and then ignored everyone.
Another great moment ruined by this idiot.

[F312T2]

The way things are going it won't be long, I'm afraid, before someone comes up with the 'brilliant' idea to eliminate the weakest link in this business of racing, which is none other than these drivers. It won't be long before we have Google and Uber sponsoring Formula 1 to race their driverless technological marvels against each other, safe in the knowledge that their billions spent to develop these cars will not be turned into a pile of garbage by some reckless spoiled brat trying to disprove basic laws of physics.
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Why should the AI be more respectful?

[turbof1]

It also cost RedBull a 3rd place finish. Had Verstappen moved aside, Ricciardo would have caught Vettel with no issues....probably passed under DRS and sailed off into the sunset.

Maybe ric would pass vet, maybe he would not, but we will never know since certain driver ran out of talent and then ignored everyone.
Another great moment ruined by this idiot.

Ok, just because Vettel showed very bad manners, does not mean you have to. Keep it decent.

[basti313]

Then every of track excursion that gave an advantage should've been penalised. Which is surely not the case.

one must be VES fanboy to even begin to argue against that 5sec penalty

any driver that has any respect for other drivers out there, would have given the place in the same lap, him not doing it just shows how green he really is, great driver, but personality of a child

In modern F1 rule somewhat states that the driver infront can cut a track atlest once and get a warning about it. Doing it again after the warning is penalised by a 5sec penalty. Hamilton did the same, and was not even atacked by noone since the pack battled against each other. Vettel did a banned Verstappen manouver against Ricciardo who was not responsible for Verstappen behaviour, and the Verstappen behaviour was not an excuse for Vettel to squeeze Ricciardo and possible puncture his front tyre. Maybe FOM should DSQ Verstappen, but they should penalize Vettel and promote Ricciardo to third.

Well, the problem was that Max clearly moved to a defensive line and outbreaked himself. If he would have simply stayed on the racing line and made the fault, then the usual "he was ahead" rule works. But going into the clinch and loosing it clearly needs to give up the position.

Vettel vs Ricciardo will be interesting. We saw it last race with Alonso and this race with Ves vs. Ros, that the stewards allow wheel banging without looking at any rules. Making a precedent for the Vestappen rule would be a bit ridiculous looking at the recent judging, but that would not surprise me. Looks like 50:50 to me at the moment.

Vettel will probably be told to tone it down. I can't even remember one single instance a driver got punished for insulting an other person.

Well, as the FIA has full control about what they transmit as a team radio, there is not much room to blame a driver for team radios, that should not go public.
I do not know if there is anything like an unsportsmanlike rule in F1. Never heard of one.

[turbof1]

Vettel will probably be told to tone it down. I can't even remember one single instance a driver got punished for insulting an other person.

Well, as the FIA has full control about what they transmit as a team radio, there is not much room to blame a driver for team radios, that should not go public.
I do not know if there is anything like an unsportsmanlike rule in F1. Never heard of one.

Not in the sporting regulations of F1 itself, but there is also a written Sporting Code which the drivers have to follow.

[Tim.Wright]

Charlie and Seb having a chat there?

"We need to get you weighed after"
"I did already at the weigh bridge 69.0kg"

Ah, I didn't hear that. Thanks.

Is't that Herbie Blash?

[proteus]

Due to the poor design of modern tracks we were robbed of an interesting race. Imagine if there where Hamilton and Verstappen cutted the track and was Rosberg pushed to would be a sandtrap, tyres or a barrier and they would retire there? Vettel and Ricciardo would battle for victory, Vettel would not be on insulting spree on top of his lungs, and Sauber would get their first points this year. What we got was a political sadness and routine Merceds 1-2.