2016 Grand Prix of Mexico - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, 28-30 October

[PlatinumZealot]

The internet would melt if Hamilton told Charlie to F*** off! thank heavens it was someone else. Max sure has gotten under Vettels skin this year hasn't he?

[Jolle]

In VES defence, he was the only one whole weekend who was able to make a move (twice even!) on a Mercedes. Shame he ran out of tires at the end.

The penalty for him was right, it was also logical for him not giving up a place, I believe no top driver would!

For people here that ask for a DSQ, why? This severe type op punishment is for cars that are not according to the rules or offences like willingly pushing someone off track or ignoring yellow/red flags. Compared to incidents where Rosberg this season was part of, this was a light offence.

And, to Vettel: grow op! Stop wining every time there is a car in front of you. You are a four time WC, behave like one!

[PlatinumZealot]

Surely Verstappen had to give that place back? What is racing anymore if all you can do is lock up and run wide to prevent someone from overtaking you.

The problem is if Lewis does the same, and there is no penaly. Then the cannot give a penalty to Max.

But both drivers should have been given a penalty or something. This is not serious.

On the other hand, easy victory for Lewis, excellent drive. Nico has been slow all the weekend so the second position is good.

Update!!! 5 seconds penalty for Max!!! and Max is talking to Lewis saying "you dont receive a penaly and in my case yes?".

Nope. Lewis give back the advantage by slowing down. Besides it is lap one, he was leading by a mile and Nico went off track too so the advatage itself was hard to judge. Max's case is very clear cut.

[basti313]

I loved the Marco interview. He really said, that Rosberg needed to give more space to Vestappen in the first corner incident.

[Jolle]

I see that Vettel is also under investigation. Him and RIC have to report to the stewards.

Could be fun

VES gaining a position because someone got penelized for moving under braking

[Shrieker]

Well, the problem was that Max clearly moved to a defensive line and outbreaked himself. If he would have simply stayed on the racing line and made the fault, then the usual "he was ahead" rule works. But going into the clinch and loosing it clearly needs to give up the position.

I couldn't disagree more. At no point was Vettel alongside. He wasn't entitled to the position.

[iotar__]

Due to the poor design of modern tracks we were robbed of an interesting race. Imagine if there where Hamilton and Verstappen cutted the track and was Rosberg pushed to would be a sandtrap, tyres or a barrier and they would retire there? Vettel and Ricciardo would battle for victory, Vettel would not be on insulting spree on top of his lungs, and Sauber would get their first points this year. What we got was a political sadness and routine Merceds 1-2.

Wait, what? How would those two end up winning it after Q and start failures? What does track design have to do with anything? Clear and consistent rules are the problem and not some 'good old days' sand traps sentiments.

Verstappen got a penalty and so quickly ? Must be one of the five rule, the least dangerous move of them all but the right driver. Instead of challenging Merc - fifth. It's not all good though:
- Farce of track limits again. Hamilton didn't even bother with making the first corners - no problem, Rosberg pushed off by Verstappen - investigation. Gutierrez should not have been investigated at all.

- Ferrari - quick car wasted on drivers. Was Brundle talking about Ferrari donkey against weak Renault ? Vettel should focus on driving not fake radio posturing, he was lucky with MV being warm blooded, strategy helped too.

[Juzh]

Well, the problem was that Max clearly moved to a defensive line and outbreaked himself. If he would have simply stayed on the racing line and made the fault, then the usual "he was ahead" rule works. But going into the clinch and loosing it clearly needs to give up the position.

I couldn't disagree more. At no point was Vettel alongside. He wasn't entitled to the position.

hahaha

[Shrieker]

After the race Hamilton said his flat spot at the beginning was so bad he could not see the braking point into T1, and that he was worried the suspension would break. And yet, he was healthily pulling a gap on Rosberg. Makes one wonder whether Rosberg's engine these last 2 races have been turned down. Like, a lot.

[nevill3]

Steward Investigations of incidents in the last five laps are always "after the race", Max didn't give the position back because he knew that the stewards could have decided that what he did did not deserve a penalty and if so he would have lost the position unnecessarily. A calculated 50/50 chance of keeping his third place, I would have done the same. Vettel definitely moved in the braking zone but he left just enough room for Ric. The new rule should apply but it is a difficult one, the stewards will have better information than us so we will have to wait for their verdict.

I hope that Ricciardo gets third

[ClarkBT11]

"I just felt Seb did what everyone's been complaining about lately - moving under braking," Ricciardo told TV crews after the race.

"He's smiling now. For me he doesn't deserve to be up there [on the podium] with that move he pulled.

"He just kept closing the door under braking. I've locked the brakes to try to avoid contact, but he kept closing, so in the end I had nowhere to go.

"We [should] make a protest, because for me it's what everyone's been complaining about lately, and he's done it to me today.

"Don't get me wrong, I love racing hard. I love seeing locking brakes, even a bit of contact is fine, but this whole moving under braking - if you're going to defend you commit early and that's it.

"You make your bed. You don't move once you've already been out-foxed.

"I felt that's what I did today - Seb was there, he moved, I went, I won the chess match, and then he's like 'oh, I've screwed up, now I'm going to try and repair my mistake'.

"For me that's not right."

Ricciardo's interview after the race I agree with what he says, Ric should get promoted to third.

I'm a Hamilton supporter but I wouldn't of been surprised or against for him to get a penalty for the first corner incident. He would only of received a five second penalty which wouldn't make much of a difference because he would of been able to stretch is lead and keep his position.

[Steven]

Due to the poor design of modern tracks we were robbed of an interesting race. Imagine if there where Hamilton and Verstappen cutted the track and was Rosberg pushed to would be a sandtrap, tyres or a barrier and they would retire there? Vettel and Ricciardo would battle for victory, Vettel would not be on insulting spree on top of his lungs, and Sauber would get their first points this year. What we got was a political sadness and routine Merceds 1-2.

I couldn't agree more.

A little bit of consistency in track design, or rather off-track design could have avoided all the pointless discussions. Ideally, I'd go for a gravel trap instead of the grass, but given the FIA's love to tarmac that days, just imagine tarmac run-off at turn 1, but with bumps installed, so that high speed crossing will damage the car.
It's not like this is new of course, just check some of the chicanes at Monza.

[Jolle]

I think in a racers mind it's simple:
- give back a place: only after leaving the track attempting a overtake
- give up a place: only to your team mate and only after a direct order from the pit wall.

No way any driver would give up a place like some people suggest VES should have done

[FrukostScones]

Yeah, would have been great if VES would have crowded ROS into a gravel pit.

[Sniffit]

Yeah, would have been great if VES would have crowded ROS into a gravel pit.

Well it would have made the championship more interesting