It's beautiful to see what RB did there. Flavio would be proud.FrukostScones wrote:f*ck me, that's great:
Radio transcript GP Mexico:
Can you believe this explanation? Also according to recent POS 'clarification' Raikkonen moved under braking instead of driving straight into a wall. Why? Because it's a CORNER, Monaco and that's how you take it, you go outside then inside, it doesn't mean putting the wheel there makes any sense, there's no other line nor place for 2 cars and the driver behind knows it [aaargghhh I'm so annoyed ] Perfectly fine for FIA as long as you're in RB.Arrivabene "I was determined to have a hard look at the rules, but then I was told that now the move is allowed when the driver in front opens up the line and the one behind manages to put at least one wheel inside. "
iotar__ wrote:What are we even discussing if this is accepted by FIA clean pass (Ricciardo -Raikkonen Monaco):
http://imgur.com/a/g56Wy
That's not even an attempt. It's just driving straight into other car or perhaps:Can you believe this explanation? Also according to recent POS 'clarification' Raikkonen moved under braking instead of driving straight into a wall. Why? Because it's a CORNER, Monaco and that's how you take it, you go outside then inside, it doesn't mean putting the wheel there makes any sense, there's no other line nor place for 2 cars and the driver behind knows it [aaargghhh I'm so annoyed ] Perfectly fine for FIA as long as you're in RB.Arrivabene "I was determined to have a hard look at the rules, but then I was told that now the move is allowed when the driver in front opens up the line and the one behind manages to put at least one wheel inside. "
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verst ... ds-846635/ Now after every deserved penalty F1 standard setter Verstappen (aka Red Bull's department of disinformation) will be whining about 'clarification'. See Kvyat-USA. Double standards? Dude you're lucky you got away with at least four penalties including two below any basic standards drive throughs (Hungary, Spa) and you complain? Learn your braking points instead or make one clean pass or defense.
+1iotar__ wrote:Red Bull afer the race: let's get tough on track limits. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... ack-limits:
Austria Verstappen: Magnussen - got 10 s in USA for the same move (only outside not dive across that he couldn't make stick)
https://s13.postimg.org/dbebg5807/Austria2.jpg
Germany: definition of going off and gaining an advantage. BS clarifcation forced on Whiting through Ecclestone by big teams changes nothing in that respect. Big teams including Red Bull - didn't care about track limits then you shameless hypocrites?
https://s21.postimg.org/l1sy1cj13/Germany2.jpg
Russia: Oh look it's Hamilton, didn't care about him there Mr. Horner, I wonder why ?
https://s16.postimg.org/acdzgq2bp/Russia.jpg
Austria: unlike Rosberg (Mex) no one forced him, he outbraked himself (there's a surprise...), yes, it was beneficial, wider line higher speed not blocked by cars making the corner, kept position against 2nd Ferrari.
https://s15.postimg.org/m4v5jqfyj/Austria.jpg
Singapore: no big deal? Not according to Red Bull, let's get tough and stop those running out of talent and track overtake attempts (advantage gained: wider line, keeping speed and getting closer to the car in front)
https://s21.postimg.org/6et52i82v/Singapore.jpg
Let's put a gravel trap in Singapore . One thing is them spouting this nonsense, RB friendly media selling it as a gospel with big title is another.
So there´s no reason for rules like...Fifty wrote:And hence it's thenovertaking drivers responsibility to a safe pass. Again NOT like motox PlayStation passing.
Holy crap! Max did defend his podium postion against Vettel?? He should be banned from F1, it´s common knownledge when any driver see Vettel in his mirrors he must let him pass with no defending at allVettelswonmeover wrote:The incident happened in the first place because of Max Verstappen's refusal to let Vettel through.
In my book validating and punishing have opposite meanings, because you did notice Max received a penalty too, didn´t you?Vettelswonmeover wrote: But, by giving him a 10 sec penalty and putting him behind Max was equivalent to the FIA validating Max Verstappen's unsportsmanlike behaviour.
+1Vettelswonmeover wrote:There was a time when FIA was closer to being the Ferrari International Assistance. Since the departure of Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, the FIA and stewards have become Red Bull's servants. Ricciardo has bumped into Kimi twice this year and into Rosberg 1 time (Hungarian GP i think) but has received no penalty. Max has been moving under braking soo many times that they had to introduce that Max Verstappen rule. Max has been overly aggressive with sooo many drivers this year but has not received any formal punishment. Only a soft tap on the knuckles i.e . a talking to by Charlie Whiting.
Wonder if the Vettel would have been penalized if he had not bad-mouthed Charlie.
The incident happened in the first place because of Max Verstappen's refusal to let Vettel through. He was basically backing Vettel into Ricciardo (after gaining an illegal advantage) and the FIA were just mute spectators.
Vettel did break the newly-minted rule and probably deserved a penalty. But, by giving him a 10 sec penalty and putting him behind Max was equivalent to the FIA validating Max Verstappen's unsportsmanlike behaviour. They could have given Vettel another penalty but at any rate, he should have been kept above Verstappen in the final standings. I would not mind RIC-3, VET-4 and VES-5.
The fact that Verstappen received a penalty shows that he did gain an advantage by running off track. Had he given the place to Vettel at that time itself, he would have not got that penalty. This again brings me to the point that had Max let Vettel past at that time, the whole VET-RIC incident would not have happened.Andres125sx wrote:Holy crap! Max did defend his podium postion against Vettel?? He should be banned from F1, it´s common knownledge when any driver see Vettel in his mirrors he must let him pass with no defending at allVettelswonmeover wrote:The incident happened in the first place because of Max Verstappen's refusal to let Vettel through.
Drivers defending his own position.... F1 has lost it
In my book validating and punishing have opposite meanings, because you did notice Max received a penalty too, didn´t you?Vettelswonmeover wrote: But, by giving him a 10 sec penalty and putting him behind Max was equivalent to the FIA validating Max Verstappen's unsportsmanlike behaviour.