2017 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, April 14-16

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Chene_Mostert wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:49
Shrieker wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:48
Hamilton was faster than Vettel today, but he has to suffer Bottas. While Vettel has a slow and deferential team mate that doesn't obstruct him. That made all the difference today.

(Or you could argue Hamilton lost the race with 0.023 seconds)
He was? Started in front and finished 7sec behind? Inline your optimism.
Ham lost time due to stacking in the pits, then added 5 second time penalty and he also lost a lot of time behind Bottas on the 2nd stint.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:46
Someone tell Seb that Bahrain isn't Egypt. The Pharaoh dance looks daft in the wrong desert :lol:
He did that in Australia as well, maybe his new trademark winning dance/style as he has done it before.
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Bill_Kar wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:51
Great drive by Vettel.
Not really impressed with the penalty imposed.
It was unsportsmanlike on Hamiltons behalve to slow Ricciardo down i tought.
So i feel the penalty was justified.
How do you see it?

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Chene_Mostert wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:49
Shrieker wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:48
Hamilton was faster than Vettel today, but he has to suffer Bottas. While Vettel has a slow and deferential team mate that doesn't obstruct him. That made all the difference today.

(Or you could argue Hamilton lost the race with 0.023 seconds)
He was? Started in front and finished 7sec behind? Inline your optimism.
obviously the penalty pretty much made it virtually impossible but he clearly backed off at the end

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Wass85 wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 13:22
lebesset wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 13:04
let's face facts, ferrari look to have a real shot at winning with these temperatures so the most important thing in qually was to get bottas up on the front row with hamilton

so logically set optimise hamilton for the race and bottas for qually
which driver wins the race is irrelevant and having both cars up front gives the best chance of one of them doing so

notice how pleased hamilton was with an all mercedes front row ?
A hell of a lot of assuming going off there, there's no evidence whatsoever to say Bottas is set up for qualifying and Hamilton the race.
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What assumptions? You are new to this aren't you?
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Just_a_fan wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:50
Mercedes saying a compressor issue on the grid led to Bottas's tyre pressures being too high in the first stint. Doesn't explain his pace at the end though.
In no particular order: Mercedes lying, bad pitstop, saving the car, wrong two stint tyres, racing no one = the same as Hamilton and team orders twice #-o , trying to talk about everything but the race 200 points F1 expert? Understandable.

- What a disgusting farce. Do you have any doubts now that they pushed Rosberg out of F1?

- Mercdes lost Bottas the lead with a bad stop, put him on the wrong tyres; Ham lost qualifying, lost start, got himself a penalty and they gave him better strategy and team orders twice.

- fake drama for hypocrites that know little about F1 getting excited about tyres and pitstops, "what will happen now if...?" Nothing unless you can't count the laps and tyre life. Puppet from live timing is the worst.

- LH up to his old tricks with slowing down, you only can do that to your team-mates Lewis.

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Mercedes still has the race pace (even with a penalty was catching Vettel). I still think Mercedes 1 then Ferrari followed further behind RBR.
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Vettel stated he was controling near the end, i wonder if he had any pace left compared to Mercedes.
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Morteza wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:52
Just_a_fan wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:50
Mercedes saying a compressor issue on the grid led to Bottas's tyre pressures being too high in the first stint. Doesn't explain his pace at the end though.
Watching today's race, I have to say Pascal Wehrlein is a better racer than Bottas. Why do I feel like that? :wtf:
That's because attacking Bottas and hyping Wehrlein based on nothing is easier than talking about lying mercedes, fake pure racer Hamilton and a farce od preferential treatment and team orders that this race was? Only guessing :) .

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Looking at the race today, Mercedes Power Plus team is missing NICO's shared data input.
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The best way to win the race is to have the car behind closer to you. So its really hard to tell the true pace of Vettel in this race.

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JonoNic wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:58
Mercedes still has the race pace (even with a penalty was catching Vettel). I still think Mercedes 1 then Ferrari followed further behind RBR.
Yes.
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Silent Storm wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:53
Just_a_fan wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:46
Someone tell Seb that Bahrain isn't Egypt. The Pharaoh dance looks daft in the wrong desert :lol:
He did that in Australia as well, maybe his new trademark winning dance/style as he has done it before.
Ah, OK. I didn't see the Oz race. mea culpa
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Phil wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:53
Chene_Mostert wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:49
Shrieker wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:48
Hamilton was faster than Vettel today, but he has to suffer Bottas. While Vettel has a slow and deferential team mate that doesn't obstruct him. That made all the difference today.

(Or you could argue Hamilton lost the race with 0.023 seconds)
He was? Started in front and finished 7sec behind? Inline your optimism.
Ham lost time due to stacking in the pits, then added 5 second time penalty and he also lost a lot of time behind Bottas on the 2nd stint.
Ham lost time at the green light.
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JonoNic wrote:
16 Apr 2017, 18:58
Mercedes still has the race pace (even with a penalty was catching Vettel). I still think Mercedes 1 then Ferrari followed further behind RBR.
Agreed.