Yeah so true. I was glad that Max was between them in the first half, which prevented them from the ol switcheroo in the openong lap. Then Bottas coming in between them also prevented any last minute switcheroo too. But Kimi"s tyre blowup did help Vettel initially... so Ferrari didnt want to pit him even after clear signs (they had a natural switcheroo ). That would have let him finish 4th atleast.GPR-A wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 17:09Well...well... well... The grand plan of Ferrari to swap the drivers came to a naught once Bottas was at Vettel's tail. Kimi was maintaining a 4.5 second gap for a long time thinking it would be an easy swap. But as soon as Ferrari realized that, both position would be compromised as Bottas came in, Bingo... Kimi opened a big gap and by the time Bottas cleared Vettel, the gap was 8 seconds!!!
Bottas saved face for Ferrari.
At least on the previous page I have read more people laughing at Ferrari than any supporter..GPR-A wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 17:43NO ONE CAN EVER OVERTAKE MAX VERSTAPPEN !!!
Ignoring the painful, uninformed and blind Ferrari supporters, who kept making a lot of noise here, the fact that the team simply does not have it in them to out develop Mercedes, is bad news for F1. They started the season with best car, but did not manage to cash-in on that form and Mercedes kept outsmarting them, with an inferior car. Now is a situation where the Mercedes PU is ahead, the car's vulnerability on the tyres is sorted and as always, they have the best pair of drivers driving for them.
I strongly believe, Ferrari should take back Alonso and dump Kimi. With that they can look at 2018 to re-surge again. Vettel is just a fair-weather driver and they need another strong driver (not a second rate) who can help them to at least secure the WCC.
I can bet you for sure that there is not a single individual here who genuinely hate Ferrari! Yes, I can bet. If anything, the hatred is towards stupid people who try to hype the team, the personnel, the drivers more than they deserve, comes out in a form that seems like hatred towards Ferrari.
As I said, SF70H was the best car that started the season. That's a fact. Mercedes had so many issues with the car; overweight, bad on tyres and who knows what else.
I was referring to this... he's only moaning cause he can't get past
Such a piece of bullshit.GPR-A wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 17:09Well...well... well... The grand plan of Ferrari to swap the drivers came to a naught once Bottas was at Vettel's tail. Kimi was maintaining a 4.5 second gap for a long time thinking it would be an easy swap. But as soon as Ferrari realized that, both position would be compromised as Bottas came in, Bingo... Kimi opened a big gap and by the time Bottas cleared Vettel, the gap was 8 seconds!!!
Bottas saved face for Ferrari.
I couldnt have said it better...Yurasyk wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 19:58Such a piece of bullshit.GPR-A wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 17:09Well...well... well... The grand plan of Ferrari to swap the drivers came to a naught once Bottas was at Vettel's tail. Kimi was maintaining a 4.5 second gap for a long time thinking it would be an easy swap. But as soon as Ferrari realized that, both position would be compromised as Bottas came in, Bingo... Kimi opened a big gap and by the time Bottas cleared Vettel, the gap was 8 seconds!!!
Bottas saved face for Ferrari.
Vet simply lost his pace before being overtaken by Bot. That's a way in which the gap between Vet and Rai increased.
https://puu.sh/wL7Yu.png
As Wolf said after the race, Bottas didn't try to catch up with duelling Verstappen and Vettel. He could have done that easily. However, there was no point doing that as he would overheat his tyres like Vettel did. He waited until both verstappen and vettel pitted. After that he increased his pace and went as further as he can go to use the full grip of supersofts in the last 20 laps which allowed him to catch Vettelevered7 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 20:03People keep repeating that Ferrari had the best car since the beginning of the season. A simple look at the qualification numbers will tell it is not the truth. Hamilton will not have driven out of his skin every time to get all the pole positions he got this season, same goes for Bottas. Mercedes being able to run their max power mode more frequently in the races have been the difference in the past few races.
This was to be a Merc circuit. They have a long wheelbase car and should be good in high speed corners. Kimi was putting good gap between him and Max on the SS (11s gap before Max pits). Ferrari had good pace on them over RB on SS. Vettel simply failed to take advantage of the pace advantage. He shouldn't have yielded the third place spot for starters given that poor start but be blessed by Max being off throttle because of Kimi. Could have been an easy 2-3 in whatever order if that was the case.
Bottas' initial couple of laps on SS were a blitz but once he closed on Vettel, his pace wasn't that great. If Vettel was not stopping that early, he wasn't even going to the fight with Bottas. Small things affecting big results in the end.
Anyone know what is the PU situation at Ferrari and if they did get their upgraded PU for this GP?