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Sebastian Vettel secured victory at the Hungarian Grand Prix, despite car issues that hampered his pace. As others were unable to overtake, Raikkonen finished a close second, followed by Valtteri Bottas for Mercedes.
Considering how many mistakes Lewis had during quali yesterday, just single error easily would have cost Vettel the win today. He did not have one despite the steering issues.f1316 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 19:02Maybe. Personally I think Vettel's pace was sufficient that Kimi couldn't get close enough on a circuit like this - not without a mistake.Phil wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 17:27That's just it though. You can tell me what you want, but IMO it was quite clear to me that Kimi wasn't allowed to pass Vettel. He was on the radio, practically begging the team to let him by and yet it felt like they were letting him out to dry for the Mercedes just to defend the win for Vettel at all costs. Given the issue that Vettel was nursing to the finish line, Kimi could have been way more aggressive and put on more pressure, yet we saw none of that.f1316 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 16:28Fairly odd reaction on here. If you race the entire distance with a steering issue and maintain a pace good enough to keep your rivals behind you (and yes, Alonso showed that if your pace delta is big enough you can overtake - even with a slower engine) then you've done a pretty good job and deserve a real sense of satisfaction.
In any case, the team would be foolish to move their drivers around in that situation unless there was a real threat from Hamilton and Kimi was fairly comfortable so undoubtedly the team did the right thing.
Going back to my main point though, Seb had a really tough afternoon with a defective car and personally think he managed it well (with luck that happened on a difficult to overtake track) with no mistakes and so has every right to celebrate.
Kimmi Pissed off...Just_a_fan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 16:24Kimi was able to manage Lewis by being slower in the twisty bits where you can't overtake and then accelerating in to the gap behind Seb on the bits you can overtake. It was masterful by him in that regard. I think a wounded Seb won't have had that luxury so would have been an easier opportunity for Lewis had Ferrari allowed Kimi to race.
Kimi looks pissed off and knows that the team consider him to be a road block for Seb. But I guess he'll bank the pay cheque and consider it a "day at the office". Would that we all got paid so well for covering someone else's behind for them.
Classy by Mercedes and Hamilton. They will have earned a lot of respect for that. Bottas looked a little unhappy because he knows he wasn't fast enough today. He also knows he owes the team one in the future.
I pretty much agree with you.Fulcrum wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 16:16I didn't like it, but keeping Raikkonen behind Vettel made the most sense for the Constructor result; although I don't think they maintained position for that reason.
Raikkonen could manage the gap with Hamilton, meaning Vettel never came under attack. If Raikkonen had been allowed through I suspect Hamilton would have had a much better chance of passing Vettel, and the Ferrari 1-2 becomes a highly likely 1-3.
The interesting thing would have been if the roles were reversed - as they have been for much of the season; Raikkonen leading with Vettel behind, and Hamilton in close company. I'm pretty confident Kimi would have been sacrificed in that scenario as well.
They lost WCC before the season started, this race had nothing to do with it.
it was really the safety car that pulled it back to being a one stopper. But you so have a point. They should aim to make the races mariginal three stops instead of maginal two stops. In that way even if a saftey car emerges we avoid the field-wide one stop strategies.Chene_Mostert wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 18:34Outside of the Ferrari reliability concerns it was a typical Hungarian GP, all the tyre concerns came to nothing, a wide window one stopper... Too any one stop races in 2017. Good drive by Alonso and he does have a sense of Humor!
...in the cool down room where Vettel was like a dog with two dicks. Kimi and Valtteri both look less than happy.
like he does 100% of the time. maybe its a Finnish thing?Just_a_fan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 20:20...in the cool down room where Vettel was like a dog with two dicks. Kimi and Valtteri both look less than happy.
I guess to insult someone??
One stop: no pit action = Complaints from fansChene_Mostert wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 18:34Outside of the Ferrari reliability concerns it was a typical Hungarian GP, all the tyre concerns came to nothing, a wide window one stopper... Too any one stop races in 2017. Good drive by Alonso and he does have a sense of Humor!
Erm Vettel would still have been further ahead than before the lights went out. Hamilton showed today that he is a team player. Vettel in an off colour car that was clearly holding team mate up still had that team number 1 tucked up his sleeve.
I assume because one was deemed a racing incident where both drivers suffered, and another one (this race), where the one causing it also benefitted from it.George-Jung wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 20:45I guess to insult someone??
But seriously, could someone explain to me why Max got such a harsh penalty- whereas Bottas never got any in previous/similar events??
I guess because he ended someone's race. I'm ambivalent about how they weight penalties. It seems strange that the same action has a different penalty but they also look at the end result. Max finished Ric's race and so maybe he gets a punishment because of the loss he caused.George-Jung wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 20:45I guess to insult someone??
But seriously, could someone explain to me why Max got such a harsh penalty- whereas Bottas never got any in previous/similar events??