HALO Approved for 2018

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Peter Windsor chats to Craig Scarborough about the HALO. A refreshingly rational discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaLs8eyeQNo

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HALO or AeroSCREEN?
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none of both. but a non-reflective aeroscreen surely would be much better when executed right. i think we'll get to the aeroscreen either way when they've perfected prototypes for that.
they can even use halo technology to combine it.

biggest problem for the aeroscreen is the distorted view. halo has 'only' a blocked view due to the center pillar. the aeroscreen distorts the view, which is much more problematic.
if they can sort out that problem, then expect the aeroscreen to take over.
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Manoah2u wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:47 pm
halo has 'only' a blocked view due to the center pillar. the aeroscreen distorts the view, which is much more problematic.
if they can sort out that problem, then expect the aeroscreen to take over.
Replace the Halo with an aeroscreen and we may be back to square one, if LMP1 is anything to go by.

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why isn't the windshield wiper laid down btw, always wondered that in these classes?
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Manoah2u wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:09 am
why isn't the windshield wiper laid down btw, always wondered that in these classes?
airflow. A horizontal wiper would act as a big disturbance (over the full length of the wiper), like this its only as wide as the wiper.

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ah yes, that makes a lot of sense actually.

so if it's not an issue for LMP1 drivers, why should it be an issue for F1 drivers? even though their 'office' is a good amount tighter.
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Manoah2u wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:57 pm
so if it's not an issue for LMP1 drivers, why should it be an issue for F1 drivers?
That was exactly my point.

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so how about Formula E ? are they going to get a halo too?
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Manoah2u wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:35 pm
so how about Formula E ? are they going to get a halo too?
Watched the video? all open wheel series are getting the halo, as soon as they introduce new chassis.

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Manoah2u wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:09 am
why isn't the windshield wiper laid down btw, always wondered that in these classes?
Probably for aero reasons
I would think there will be less fluttering when the wiper is straight up

Edit: already beaten to it

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doesn't look too bad anymore:

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http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 14408.html

and with funny aerofairings (the teams will be allowed to add in 20mm zone somewhere on the outside) , those things might get intersting to watch.

still its introduction will kill a bit of F1 for me :|
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The FIA explain the reasoning behind choosing the Halo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYkGjUHstKY

I think it's pretty hard to argue against it when their analysis says it helps in almost every accident they analysed including roll overs.

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Jolle wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:37 pm
Manoah2u wrote:
Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:35 pm
so how about Formula E ? are they going to get a halo too?
Watched the video? all open wheel series are getting the halo, as soon as they introduce new chassis.
but is Formula E still concidered open wheel series in 2018? the concepts ive seen have wheel fairings around it.
i've seen the 2018 concepts with a closed cockpit or some half-aeroscreen thing. hence the question.

some visual reference:

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this design shows a closed jet-fighter style canopy - which, it has to be said, looks amazing - and an alternative aeroscreen that's half-open.

Formula E in particular is very sensitive for aero devices, due to the still relative 'young' phase the electric sportscar 'world'is in. Comparing this to the halo, the halo clearly is a very aero ineffective lump.

So i have to repeat my question. If this was the proposal for 2018's Formula E cars, then what are we actually going to get ?

The above, like proposed, or the halo?

Mind you, Formula E will no longer be an open-wheel formula class as of 2018. They're actually not really full open wheeler anymore anyway.

Which then, to me, raises the next question ;

IF the Formula E cars will get this canopy / or the half-open aeroscreen - then in godsname WHY is F1 and other formula's getting another treatment? If it works for Formula E, why can't it work for Formula 1, and if it can't work for Formula 1, why CAN it work for formula E ?
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I like the halo from day 1.
The thing with a screen is that it can cause motion sickness, glare, obstruction for the drivers. Also it can possibly be smeared or distorted on track and a driver would have to retire because the screen cannot be replaced during the race.

The Halo doesnt have those issues, and it still gives us a good view of the driver and his hands in the car. I think it's the best solution.
It's not cool and power ranger/voltron looking like the screen, but for all intents and purposes it's the best solution.

And we will soon get used to it. This is similar to seatbelts, side impact structures, head rest cushions, high side panels, and other safety gear introduced over the sports history that acted to reduce how much of the driver we can see, and took away the intimate connection with the sport. But this head protection thing is necessary so we have to just live with it.
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