2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Alonso Fan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:39 pm

Meeting their target and not being aggressive enough is easy to understand. They met their targets in testing of how much downforce they were making and getting the renault running reliably. There, target achieved.

Little did they know their target was wrong and set too low so now after a couple of races they know where they are in the pecking order and with hindsight EB is saying they weren't aggressive enough. It's very easy to understand.

Emergency meeting was for the shareholders because the race was in Bahrain. Only the media labelled it an emergency meeting afaik. If the race was elsewhere I doubt there would have been any meeting at all. If it was that serious they would have had one this race too

I agree they are not where they should be. But they basically still have last years car. Updates are overdue. I hope something will come to Baku but I fear it will be only at Barcelona where everyone else will also have something.
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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Macklaren » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:44 pm

rogazilla wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:26 pm
Answer to previous about why EB needs to go. To casual fans who watch the race only, may not be that obvious but it is different to just say things for PR versus someone who doesn't seem to make logical sense. Maybe he just choose to answer things illogically to me but really know what's happening but just from things he said, sounded like he has no clue.

This season we knew since testing, big upgrade is coming.
The unreliability during testing was because they went too aggressive
The big upgrade is delayed as they had to focus on fixing what's found in testing
Now the speed isn't there, although they are scoring points in hauls and that's great for McLaren. Happy for them but I think anyone looking at the pace of the car knows they are far from target.
Yet, they have met their 2018 target? They are not aggressive enough? Even when the upgrade isn't here yet? The emergency meeting to figure out why the car isn't fast when you know you have upgrade coming?

We know the S duct changes means a pretty substantial front wing will probably come. It is his job to answer tough questions and take punches but there is much better way to answer those questions than the way EB is doing.
Some of this is part of the business and some of this is down to journalists as well. For example, see the kerfuffle this weekend with Will Buxton (who's a great reporter) and his quotes of Christian Horner contradicting himself on Max's Bahrain "mistake"

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by mclaren111 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:01 pm

Alonso Fan wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:10 pm
mclaren111 wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:29 pm
No. Missed it. Was visiting my daughter in Cape Town. :( :(
Ah, family first any day. Who cars if you missed it eh? The article doesn't cover much of what we already don't know. And it was written before China so some things don't make sense anymore. I won't post it because that's not right, just like I wouldn't torrent games or music etc.

No problem and thank you.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by radosav » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm

Soo we are putting all our hopes on succes of operation Nose-job

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Postmoe » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:42 pm

radosav wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm
Soo we are putting all our hopes on succes of operation Nose-job
Hoping it will not be a mere cosmetic improvement or expectations will be nose-diving.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by loner » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:10 pm

Postmoe wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:42 pm
radosav wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm
Soo we are putting all our hopes on succes of operation Nose-job
Hoping it will not be a mere cosmetic improvement or expectations will be nose-diving.
a full second had been mooted from the nose so you should expect the direction ...
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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Redragon » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:11 pm

Postmoe wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:42 pm
radosav wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm
Soo we are putting all our hopes on succes of operation Nose-job
Hoping it will not be a mere cosmetic improvement or expectations will be nose-diving.
Hopefully is not another thump up on the arse

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Alonso Fan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:12 pm

loner wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:10 pm
Postmoe wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:42 pm
radosav wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 pm
Soo we are putting all our hopes on succes of operation Nose-job
Hoping it will not be a mere cosmetic improvement or expectations will be nose-diving.
a full second had been mooted from the nose so you should expect the direction ...
Only rumours in the media. No factual evidence of this yet
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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by bauc » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:44 pm

No way a new nose could bring 1 second of improvement without a lot of more other aero developments around the car, but it could unlock that path for the reminder of the season.
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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by RonDennis » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:48 pm

bauc wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:44 pm
No way a new nose could bring 1 second of improvement without a lot of more other aero developments around the car, but it could unlock that path for the reminder of the season.
It's not just the new nose.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by PhillipM » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:58 pm

They have new sidepods, which I'm guessing aren't being fitted until the new nose is proven, and it's probably fair to assume bargeboard changes that go with those to match, so it's probably the whole package that's worth close to a second.
The problem is, if it doesn't go on until Barcelona - every other team will have a package worth a good chunk too.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by BrunoH » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:08 pm

i dont believe in magical 1 second improvements over 1 month or so... 1 second in F1 is huge!!!

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by ivanlesk » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:20 pm

BrunoH wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:08 pm
i dont believe in magical 1 second improvements over 1 month or so... 1 second in F1 is huge!!!
You have a point, but if we believe to pp they are developing this upgrade longer than one month.

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by fellowhoodlums » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:28 pm

and everyone else has updates too.......

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Re: 2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Nonserviam85 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:38 pm

McLaren have done it numerous times with B-Spec Cars, they can do it again.