2018 Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 29 June - 1 July

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siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:40
2016 tyre test were Ferrari had major chunk of testing and they even fed false aero data etc to get the tyres to suit them more...How do u think Ferrari closed the gap to Merc in 2017. 3rd best team in 2016 and bam top team in 2017
It's very simple - Merc and Hamilton couldn't be bothered with those tests. Kimi a bit as well, Seb gladly accepted to drive the wheels off the mule car whenever he had a chance.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:40
2016 tyre test were Ferrari had major chunk of testing and they even fed false aero data etc to get the tyres to suit them more...How do u think Ferrari closed the gap to Merc in 2017. 3rd best team in 2016 and bam top team in 2017
You do realise 2017 cars were a different animal compared to 2016 due to regulation changes.

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siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:40
GrayGreat wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:37
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:29

How do we know it was not special tyres aimed at one team? As Ferrari and pirelli already showed collaboration in 2017 tyres?
Which occassion are you talking about? Official Pirelli tyre test where they invited teams (Mercedes, RedBull and Ferrari) to test tyres for them?
2016 tyre test were Ferrari had major chunk of testing and they even fed false aero data etc to get the tyres to suit them more...How do u think Ferrari closed the gap to Merc in 2017. 3rd best team in 2016 and bam top team in 2017
Read this:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-w ... ts-916660/

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siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:40
GrayGreat wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:37
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:29

How do we know it was not special tyres aimed at one team? As Ferrari and pirelli already showed collaboration in 2017 tyres?
Which occassion are you talking about? Official Pirelli tyre test where they invited teams (Mercedes, RedBull and Ferrari) to test tyres for them?
2016 tyre test were Ferrari had major chunk of testing and they even fed false aero data etc to get the tyres to suit them more...How do u think Ferrari closed the gap to Merc in 2017. 3rd best team in 2016 and bam top team in 2017
By working their arse out while maybe some Merc's engineer only bother to sulk when things did not going their way, bit like some fans like you?

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Vanja #66 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:48
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:40
2016 tyre test were Ferrari had major chunk of testing and they even fed false aero data etc to get the tyres to suit them more...How do u think Ferrari closed the gap to Merc in 2017. 3rd best team in 2016 and bam top team in 2017
It's very simple - Merc and Hamilton couldn't be bothered with those tests. Kimi a bit as well, Seb gladly accepted to drive the wheels off the mule car whenever he had a chance.
Even if the mule car was run by one team the data from it should have been uniform...but Ferrari purposely altered their mule car's aero so that the data reaching others was false and they and pirelli only knew the original data and in turn allowed them to be better adapted to 2017 tyres...hence their great tyre management ever since. Which is why their tyres were good today....that same tyre construction is still carried over.......I didn't see any cry over this and now when just 0.4 mm ...just 0.4mm is reduced for 3 races out of 21 for reduction in graining due to new track surface, people are now crying

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GrayGreat wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:49
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:40
GrayGreat wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:37


Which occassion are you talking about? Official Pirelli tyre test where they invited teams (Mercedes, RedBull and Ferrari) to test tyres for them?
2016 tyre test were Ferrari had major chunk of testing and they even fed false aero data etc to get the tyres to suit them more...How do u think Ferrari closed the gap to Merc in 2017. 3rd best team in 2016 and bam top team in 2017
Read this:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-w ... ts-916660/
Why were pirelli just listening to Vettel (according to the article) why the bias from pirelli and giving them tyres which suited their needs and cars characteristics

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LionKing wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:48
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:40
2016 tyre test were Ferrari had major chunk of testing and they even fed false aero data etc to get the tyres to suit them more...How do u think Ferrari closed the gap to Merc in 2017. 3rd best team in 2016 and bam top team in 2017
You do realise 2017 cars were a different animal compared to 2016 due to regulation changes.
Yes, but there is no magic in tyre management. 3rd best team in this jumping to the best....that is not coincidence

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01 Jul 2018, 19:54
Even if the mule car was run by one team the data from it should have been uniform...but Ferrari purposely altered their mule car's aero so that the data reaching others was false and they and pirelli only knew the original data and in turn allowed them to be better adapted to 2017 tyres...hence their great tyre management ever since. Which is why their tyres were good today....that same tyre construction is still carried over.......I didn't see any cry over this and now when just 0.4 mm ...just 0.4mm is reduced for 3 races out of 21 for reduction in graining due to new track surface, people are now crying
Oh no, so cruel from them! Wow, almost the same level of blatant misleading Pirelli as Mercedes burning tyres trough pit lane in winter tests to show how much blistering there is! :lol:
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:59
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:54
Even if the mule car was run by one team the data from it should have been uniform...but Ferrari purposely altered their mule car's aero so that the data reaching others was false and they and pirelli only knew the original data and in turn allowed them to be better adapted to 2017 tyres...hence their great tyre management ever since. Which is why their tyres were good today....that same tyre construction is still carried over.......I didn't see any cry over this and now when just 0.4 mm ...just 0.4mm is reduced for 3 races out of 21 for reduction in graining due to new track surface, people are now crying
Oh no, so cruel from them! Wow, almost the same level of blatant misleading Pirelli as Mercedes burning tyres trough pit lane in winter tests to show how much blistering there is! :lol:
Not as good as Ferrari manipulating tyre data for 2 years straight I agree. Out of 38 race of 41 races in 2 years pirelli had brought tyres which favour the Ferrari more...yeah we now know who are the biggest cheaters......the Ferrari fans cry because we didn't get tyres which favour us for 41 out of 41 races [-o<
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Re: 2018 Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 29 June - 1 July

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siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:54
Vanja #66 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:48
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:40
2016 tyre test were Ferrari had major chunk of testing and they even fed false aero data etc to get the tyres to suit them more...How do u think Ferrari closed the gap to Merc in 2017. 3rd best team in 2016 and bam top team in 2017
It's very simple - Merc and Hamilton couldn't be bothered with those tests. Kimi a bit as well, Seb gladly accepted to drive the wheels off the mule car whenever he had a chance.
Even if the mule car was run by one team the data from it should have been uniform...but Ferrari purposely altered their mule car's aero so that the data reaching others was false and they and pirelli only knew the original data and in turn allowed them to be better adapted to 2017 tyres...hence their great tyre management ever since. Which is why their tyres were good today....that same tyre construction is still carried over.......I didn't see any cry over this and now when just 0.4 mm ...just 0.4mm is reduced for 3 races out of 21 for reduction in graining due to new track surface, people are now crying
Wow, and your claim based on what?
The fact is, Mercs gain massively compared to the other team in those tyres while actually they've done nothing to get credit out of it. Just because Pirelli change the tyres. If the original tyres is indeed to blame for the blistering, why don't you bother check the track temp today and compare it to the friday FP2 runs, why did the problem did not hit Mercs or Red Bull as hard as they've suffered today? Negate one team effort to get on top of the tyre issue is just harsh. As long as there's one team can get on top of the original tyres, it means that the other should've work their arse out to catch them up, because it's not impossible thing to do. [...]
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bielsista wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:42
GrandAxe wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 18:55
Chene_Mostert wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 18:41


Yes, Merc should change them before they get to that state or make them last...
We've already had one explosive delamination this year. The Ferrari tyre in the pic has a particularly angry blister on the inside shoulder, its possible the Merc one has those on the shoulder too. Its just a matter of time before an accident.
Please stop with your stupidity, that was picked-up marbles not blisters.
Shame. You have the manners of a toilet.
The mark on the shoulder looks every bit like a blister.

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Re: 2018 Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 29 June - 1 July

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siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:57
GrayGreat wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:49
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:40

2016 tyre test were Ferrari had major chunk of testing and they even fed false aero data etc to get the tyres to suit them more...How do u think Ferrari closed the gap to Merc in 2017. 3rd best team in 2016 and bam top team in 2017
Read this:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-w ... ts-916660/
Why were pirelli just listening to Vettel (according to the article) why the bias from pirelli and giving them tyres which suited their needs and cars characteristics
First of all, the article says nowhere that Pirelly were only listening to Vettel. Wolff says it is different when Vettel gives feedback compare to Pascal, which is quite obvious, 4 time World Champion vs a Rookie, in Pirelli's view, Vettel's feedback would automatically be more credible, but still, the article did not say that Pirelli only listened to Vettel.

Second, Mercedes were given the opportunity, but didn't take it. Pascal obviously would have told Mercedes how those tyres handled but Vettel gave more accurate feedback to Ferrari as compared to what Pascal gave to Mercedes. If anything made the difference, that's what it is.

And third, how do you think Vettel gave feedback to Pirelli? Like dictated them on how to make tyres or what changes to make to them so that it can suit their car better? Or did Vettel knew how their 2017 car would be, the energy it will put into the tyres, the kind of suspension geometry it will have, or did he have a crystal ball?

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bielsista wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 20:08
siskue2005 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:54
Vanja #66 wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:48

It's very simple - Merc and Hamilton couldn't be bothered with those tests. Kimi a bit as well, Seb gladly accepted to drive the wheels off the mule car whenever he had a chance.
Even if the mule car was run by one team the data from it should have been uniform...but Ferrari purposely altered their mule car's aero so that the data reaching others was false and they and pirelli only knew the original data and in turn allowed them to be better adapted to 2017 tyres...hence their great tyre management ever since. Which is why their tyres were good today....that same tyre construction is still carried over.......I didn't see any cry over this and now when just 0.4 mm ...just 0.4mm is reduced for 3 races out of 21 for reduction in graining due to new track surface, people are now crying
Wow, and your claim based on what?
The fact is, Mercs gain massively compared to the other team in those tyres while actually they've done nothing to get credit out of it. Just because Pirelli change the tyres. If the original tyres is indeed to blame for the blistering, why don't you bother check the track temp today and compare it to the friday FP2 runs, why did the problem did not hit Mercs or Red Bull as hard as they've suffered today? Negate one team effort to get on top of the tyre issue is just harsh. As long as there's one team can get on top of the original tyres, it means that the other should've work their arse out to catch them up, because it's not impossible thing to do. So instead of point finger about who is actually crying thing, why don't you just shut up and wish for your team to work their way out of their issues.
Oh getting personal are we. :lol:
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GrandAxe wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 20:09
bielsista wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 19:42
GrandAxe wrote:
01 Jul 2018, 18:55


We've already had one explosive delamination this year. The Ferrari tyre in the pic has a particularly angry blister on the inside shoulder, its possible the Merc one has those on the shoulder too. Its just a matter of time before an accident.
Please stop with your stupidity, that was picked-up marbles not blisters.
Shame. You have the manners of a toilet.
The mark on the shoulder looks every bit like a blister.
=D>

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