2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

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HPD wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:20 pm
Revs84 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:15 pm
Let's hope they are actually allowed to go out for quali in the first place :(
The FIA has already given the "ok" to Brendon to do the Qualifying.
The problem is to rebuild the car, and we do not know if the PU is well.
Gasly I'm sure he'll run
There was a reason why Gasly was not let out for the session. What if there are concerns with the suspension? Suspensions shouldn't be failing like that, even if under such heavy braking.

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HPD wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:20 pm
Revs84 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:15 pm
Let's hope they are actually allowed to go out for quali in the first place :(
The FIA has already given the "ok" to Brendon to do the Qualifying.
The problem is to rebuild the car, and we do not know if the PU is well.
Gasly I'm sure he'll run
they have extra PU for him anyway but the time is a big factor here...
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Unless they can prove that failure was a freak occurance or worn part pretty quickly they might not be going around, that looked like the lower upright/balljoint folded just under braking load.

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Echoes of Sebastian Buemi's incident in Shanghai years ago.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Just confirmed on coverage, FIA has ordered TR to either prove why the part failed or change the entire 4 corners of Gasley's car before he can qualify - so it sounds like TR don't know if it's a flaw in a batch or a one-off.
Hartley won't take part in qualifying, too much damage on the car to repair that fast.

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PhillipM wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:13 pm
Just confirmed on coverage, FIA has ordered TR to either prove why the part failed or change the entire 4 corners of Gasley's car before he can qualify - so it sounds like TR don't know if it's a flaw in a batch or a one-off.
Hartley won't take part in qualifying, too much damage on the car to repair that fast.
Do they have time to make the changes on Gasly"s car and still take part?
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/toro ... e-1057009/

looks like aero update did not work. which i thought was. there was no gain. probably went back. damn

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Albert Fabrega:
New chassis for Hartley, will come out last.
Complete change in Gasly suspension as a precaution.

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Ground Effect wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:35 pm
Do they have time to make the changes on Gasly"s car and still take part?
Probably but it'd be tight. It doesn't take too long to change undamaged corners - often they're already assembled in the garage.

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looks like they have switch to old front wing. finally , that new wing was too much drag

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It wasn't anything to do with drag, it wasn't working as they were expecting.
Front wing drag is pretty inconsequential, what you add to the wing you tend to shed on the body anyway.

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GhostF1 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:22 am
Alonso Fan wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:20 am
loner wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:55 am
i saw it early this year
http://oi64.tinypic.com/210aq1c.jpg
You're not making sense. What does a mclaren rear jack man have to do with Toro Rosso or Honda or with what I said? Respond with a counter argument rather than making a fool of yourself

You want slimmer packaging. We saw what slimmer packaging did to the PU last year. Be careful what you wish for. RBR will push the boundaries next year
Probably, but thats a good thing.
Still a better methodology than saying no to the engine manufacturer when they request more room to increase reliability and performance..
TR granted that and look what we see, a huge improvement. And even after the size increase, McLaren signing Renault, probably because of the equally French Eric Boullier, are lumped with a larger and heavier unit if Adrian Newey's comments are to be believed.
But red bull packaging it tight would effectively be doing the same thing. They'd be 'forcing' it into a tighter space than its currently been running in the Toro Rosso

And we both know mclaren requested a size and Honda agreed. No one forced anyone
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Alonso Fan wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:39 pm
GhostF1 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:22 am
Alonso Fan wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:20 am


You're not making sense. What does a mclaren rear jack man have to do with Toro Rosso or Honda or with what I said? Respond with a counter argument rather than making a fool of yourself

You want slimmer packaging. We saw what slimmer packaging did to the PU last year. Be careful what you wish for. RBR will push the boundaries next year
Probably, but thats a good thing.
Still a better methodology than saying no to the engine manufacturer when they request more room to increase reliability and performance..
TR granted that and look what we see, a huge improvement. And even after the size increase, McLaren signing Renault, probably because of the equally French Eric Boullier, are lumped with a larger and heavier unit if Adrian Newey's comments are to be believed.
But red bull packaging it tight would effectively be doing the same thing. They'd be 'forcing' it into a tighter space than its currently been running in the Toro Rosso

And we both know mclaren requested a size and Honda agreed. No one forced anyone
I didn't say they didn't agree to parameters in 2015. I said they requested more space and we're denied it by McLaren years later... So yeah, obviously no teamwork going on there.

RBR will act as a works team. There will be genuine back and forth between the two and I highly doubt Red Bull will do anything to sacrifice reliability based on the past 3 years.

I'm not sure why you are so anti-Honda, even now. Based on Renault's reliability this year with turbo's dropping left right and centre, you should be just as critical of them. I can't deal with wildly speculative claims of failure and doom for a car & PU package that doesn't even exist yet..

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GhostF1 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:01 pm
Alonso Fan wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:39 pm
GhostF1 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:22 am


Probably, but thats a good thing.
Still a better methodology than saying no to the engine manufacturer when they request more room to increase reliability and performance..
TR granted that and look what we see, a huge improvement. And even after the size increase, McLaren signing Renault, probably because of the equally French Eric Boullier, are lumped with a larger and heavier unit if Adrian Newey's comments are to be believed.
But red bull packaging it tight would effectively be doing the same thing. They'd be 'forcing' it into a tighter space than its currently been running in the Toro Rosso

And we both know mclaren requested a size and Honda agreed. No one forced anyone
I didn't say they didn't agree to parameters in 2015. I said they requested more space and we're denied it by McLaren years later... So yeah, obviously no teamwork going on there.

RBR will act as a works team. There will be genuine back and forth between the two and I highly doubt Red Bull will do anything to sacrifice reliability based on the past 3 years.

I'm not sure why you are so anti-Honda, even now. Based on Renault's reliability this year with turbo's dropping left right and centre, you should be just as critical of them. I can't deal with wildly speculative claims of failure and doom for a car & PU package that doesn't even exist yet..
C'mon guys, the header says this is the Toro Rosso thread.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Honestly, I thought it would be a worse Qualifying :lol:
Many problems this weekend