Andres125sx wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:11 pm
…So if the ZOE will be amortized between 6th and 7th year. From that point you´ll be saving 8367 SEK/year, or around 30,000 SEK if you own it for 10 years wich is what batteries last more or less
Not extremely tempting, but I´m glad you did the numbers because it´s better than I was assuming. Your daily trips are much longer than mine tough
My calculation is based on me leasing the vehicle, not buying it. If I were to buy it, I’d have two options. Buy the car and lease the battery or buy both the car and the battery. If I were to lease the battery, I would start saving money by year 5 and if I were to buy it I would start saving money by year 9. This is with today’s fuel prices i.e. not very realistic so let’s assume the fuel prices rise by 25% in the coming years. Then I’d start saving money by year 4 if I lease the battery and by year 7 if I buy it.
As you can see, leasing the battery is much cheaper compared to buying it with the car and if I’m leasing the battery I’ll just go ahead and lease the whole car. Then it becomes a fixed monthly expense I don’t need to worry about. Also, I’d prefer not to be stuck with the same car for too long because my needs may and most likely will, change.
Another interesting fact when thinking about buying the ZOE vs buying the Clio is that the less you drive, the less the ZOE makes sense. If you drive 10000 km/year the fuel prices will need to be 2x as high as today for you to save any money on it!
Andres125sx wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:11 pm
So yes, basically I agree price is still the problem to solve, specially when you think about how much easier to manufacture are EVs. But I don´t think it´s a matter of governments helping out, I think manufacturers prices must go down drastically. I´m sure their net benefit for each EV is huge compared to any car with an ICE, but that´s normal since the sales are also a small fraction compared to the same ICE, so basically it´s a matter of time.
Then, at some point, there will be much cheaper batteries
The point I was making when I mentioned the government was that the prices of the EVs are so high, they don’t make much sense EVEN with the government handing out free money to people who buy them. I think one of the bigger reasons EVs are expensive is that because they only constitute a very tiny portion of the market, the economies of scale don’t really apply. So in order for them to get cheaper, more people would need to buy them. But if more people are to buy them, then they have to be cheaper. Chicken and egg situation.
henry wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:23 pm
Given the uncertainty of fuel, depreciation etc is SEK 2000 a year really a deal breaker? (For other’s reference that’s £166, $220)
I’m not trying to sway you, just interested. As I said in an earlier post having a warm car ready on the drive every morning in the winter would be something I would be willing to pay for.
So, the only major variable in my calculation is the price of the fuel. Everything else (insurance, road tax, servicing, depreciation etc.) is part of the lease itself and therefore fixed. 2000 SEK/year is not a lot, and it will fall even further with rising fuel prices but note that 2000 SEK/year applies to the 90 horsepower Clio. For the 75 horsepower one it is close to 9600 SEK/year which is not an insignificant amount.