2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by Sieper » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:39 pm

NathanOlder wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:45 pm
It would but Sauber and Haas would be under strict orders and probably ruin the show.
FI and Williams on the same. Perez did his best last race.

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by tpe » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:43 pm

Vettel, again, has only one set of softs. What the...?

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by dfegan358 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:45 pm

Very low tyre degradation here. Ferrari just seem to be going very aggressively with tyre choices.

Obviously didn’t work in Singapore. At the end of the day Ferrari need to find more pace here. Track should suit but Mercedes definitely made strides in tyre management.

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by Bill_Kar » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:03 am

dfegan358 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:45 pm
Very low tyre degradation here. Ferrari just seem to be going very aggressively with tyre choices.

Obviously didn’t work in Singapore. At the end of the day Ferrari need to find more pace here. Track should suit but Mercedes definitely made strides in tyre management.
Why do you say that track suits Mercedes?

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by GTO99 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:04 am

O God, I hope it's not another 1 stop race with them trying to prolong tyre life. [-o<

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by dans79 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:09 am

Bill_Kar wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:03 am
dfegan358 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:45 pm
Very low tyre degradation here. Ferrari just seem to be going very aggressively with tyre choices.

Obviously didn’t work in Singapore. At the end of the day Ferrari need to find more pace here. Track should suit but Mercedes definitely made strides in tyre management.
Why do you say that track suits Mercedes?
It's very low degradation, and as Mark Priestley said in his recent video that means it's hard to get heat in the tires.

As has been widely discussed, Mercedes actually has a problem with overheating their tires this year. They only recently got a handle on their tire temperatures, via changes to the rear rims, and the rear drums. Thus, they might be able to dial in their car, to get heat into their tires quickly and then maintain it!.This would pay dividends during qualifying on the hyper softs.

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by Restomaniac » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:22 am

dans79 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:09 am
Bill_Kar wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:03 am
dfegan358 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:45 pm
Very low tyre degradation here. Ferrari just seem to be going very aggressively with tyre choices.

Obviously didn’t work in Singapore. At the end of the day Ferrari need to find more pace here. Track should suit but Mercedes definitely made strides in tyre management.
Why do you say that track suits Mercedes?
It's very low degradation, and as Mark Priestley said in his recent video that means it's hard to get heat in the tires.

As has been widely discussed, Mercedes actually has a problem with overheating their tires this year. They only recently got a handle on their tire temperatures, via changes to the rear rims, and the rear drums. Thus, they might be able to dial in their car, to get heat into their tires quickly and then maintain it!.This would pay dividends during qualifying on the hyper softs.
This ties in with a question that has been bugging me.

The new wheels by Mercedes were an upgrade. As such exactly when did Pirelli see them and how late in the day (or months ahead) did Mercedes have to plan ahead? In other words when exactly were the tyres mounted on the wheels? Bearing in mind that nobody saw the new Mercedes wheels coming IIRC.

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by godlameroso » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:43 am

GTO99 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:04 am
O God, I hope it's not another 1 stop race with them trying to prolong tyre life. [-o<
Worse it's not too difficult to keep the rears up to temp but the fronts not so much. Maybe rear blistering or front graining will be an issue? Do you subscribe to the theory that the tires need a few laps to be able to push them without them disintegrating? Would a harder tire allow you to push harder than a softer yet marginally faster tire?

Would a two stop of hypersoft hypersoft and supersoft be feasible?
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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by djos » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:08 am

Restomaniac wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:22 am
dans79 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:09 am
Bill_Kar wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:03 am

Why do you say that track suits Mercedes?
It's very low degradation, and as Mark Priestley said in his recent video that means it's hard to get heat in the tires.

As has been widely discussed, Mercedes actually has a problem with overheating their tires this year. They only recently got a handle on their tire temperatures, via changes to the rear rims, and the rear drums. Thus, they might be able to dial in their car, to get heat into their tires quickly and then maintain it!.This would pay dividends during qualifying on the hyper softs.
This ties in with a question that has been bugging me.

The new wheels by Mercedes were an upgrade. As such exactly when did Pirelli see them and how late in the day (or months ahead) did Mercedes have to plan ahead? In other words when exactly were the tyres mounted on the wheels? Bearing in mind that nobody saw the new Mercedes wheels coming IIRC.
As I understand it, the tires usually don't get fitted to the wheels until the race weekend.
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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by dans79 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:16 am

djos wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:08 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:22 am
dans79 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:09 am


It's very low degradation, and as Mark Priestley said in his recent video that means it's hard to get heat in the tires.

As has been widely discussed, Mercedes actually has a problem with overheating their tires this year. They only recently got a handle on their tire temperatures, via changes to the rear rims, and the rear drums. Thus, they might be able to dial in their car, to get heat into their tires quickly and then maintain it!.This would pay dividends during qualifying on the hyper softs.
This ties in with a question that has been bugging me.

The new wheels by Mercedes were an upgrade. As such exactly when did Pirelli see them and how late in the day (or months ahead) did Mercedes have to plan ahead? In other words when exactly were the tyres mounted on the wheels? Bearing in mind that nobody saw the new Mercedes wheels coming IIRC.
As I understand it, the tires usually don't get fitted to the wheels until the race weekend.
I believe that to be correct, and I also believe the team to do it themselves!

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by saviour stivala » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:25 am

dans79 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:16 am
djos wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:08 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:22 am

This ties in with a question that has been bugging me.

The new wheels by Mercedes were an upgrade. As such exactly when did Pirelli see them and how late in the day (or months ahead) did Mercedes have to plan ahead? In other words when exactly were the tyres mounted on the wheels? Bearing in mind that nobody saw the new Mercedes wheels coming IIRC.
As I understand it, the tires usually don't get fitted to the wheels until the race weekend.
I believe that to be correct, and I also believe the team to do it themselves!
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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by Restomaniac » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:54 am

dans79 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:16 am
djos wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:08 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:22 am

This ties in with a question that has been bugging me.

The new wheels by Mercedes were an upgrade. As such exactly when did Pirelli see them and how late in the day (or months ahead) did Mercedes have to plan ahead? In other words when exactly were the tyres mounted on the wheels? Bearing in mind that nobody saw the new Mercedes wheels coming IIRC.
As I understand it, the tires usually don't get fitted to the wheels until the race weekend.
I believe that to be correct, and I also believe the team to do it themselves!
Thanks to both of you. This also answers my next question.
In that could a team with special wheels try out a cooling rim and if then it ends up cooling to much, bin them off and go with standard wheels for the rest of the weekend.

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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by Just_a_fan » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:58 am

dans79 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:16 am
djos wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:08 am
Restomaniac wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:22 am

This ties in with a question that has been bugging me.

The new wheels by Mercedes were an upgrade. As such exactly when did Pirelli see them and how late in the day (or months ahead) did Mercedes have to plan ahead? In other words when exactly were the tyres mounted on the wheels? Bearing in mind that nobody saw the new Mercedes wheels coming IIRC.
As I understand it, the tires usually don't get fitted to the wheels until the race weekend.
I believe that to be correct, and I also believe the team to do it themselves!
The tyres are mounted by Pirelli. They have a big covered area where they site the mounting machines and the teams bring the rims to them.
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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by NathanOlder » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:34 am

Sieper wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:39 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:45 pm
It would but Sauber and Haas would be under strict orders and probably ruin the show.
FI and Williams on the same. Perez did his best last race.
Perez was doing 100% what he was meant to be doing at that point. Fight anyone who doesn't drive a pink car.

The problem is when a Ferrari approaches a Haas or Sauber, they get out the way pretty damn quick. Force India and Williams still resist a Mercedes. Vettel pretty much has 5 team mates, to Hamilton's 1. So thats what would wreck a battle from the back between Lewis and Seb.
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Re: 2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

Post by NathanOlder » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:37 am

Bill_Kar wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:03 am
dfegan358 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:45 pm
Very low tyre degradation here. Ferrari just seem to be going very aggressively with tyre choices.

Obviously didn’t work in Singapore. At the end of the day Ferrari need to find more pace here. Track should suit but Mercedes definitely made strides in tyre management.
Why do you say that track suits Mercedes?
He didn't. He said the Track should suit Ferrari , not Merc!

" At the end of the day Ferrari need to find more pace here. Track should suit (Ferrari) but Mercedes definitely made strides in tyre management. "

thats how I read it anyway.
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