2018 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 28 - 30 September

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I was actually going to tip Bottas for the win, but given he is on pole, I am doubtful it'll convert to a win. I now expect Hamilton and/or even Vettel to pass Bottas. That tow is something and the track is so wide, I'm not sure if Mercedes can afford to play road block. On the other hand, Hamilton could be sandwiched if he is not careful, so I am at loss at who is at the biggest advantage. Could be good for 2nd and 3rd on the grid, but could be very bad for Lewis with a bad start.

Either way, Ferrari look quite bad in S3, so who knows, even if the Ferrari's get ahead, I am not that convinced they might be able to win this, as losing in S3 could make you vulnerable on the start/finish DRS straight. Not sure about their tire wear if they overdrive S3 and slide a lot.

My 2 cents.
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Shrieker wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:18
Sevach wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:17
Vettel's championship hopes are now hanging on a Hamilton's start, if he gets away well this is over.
Hamilton on the dirty side, right ?
I believe so, isn't preferred position Row 2, left side?

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Shrieker wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:18
Disappointing showing from Lewis. Now he's alongside Vettel, and he will show no mercy.
Who will show no mercy? If they both crash and DNF, it's better for Hamilton, as the gap stays the same with one race less. I'd expect Hamilton to be the one showing no mercy.

As for the "dirty side" - not sure how much of a factor that is, as the asphalt is new covering the top 3 and is supposedly very grippy.
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My word, if their qualifying pace is indicative of race pace, at least one of the Ferrari cars will be caught by the Red Bulls tomorrow. Even if they get ahead at the start, surely they're too slow to prevent being passed with DRS?

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Phil wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:20
I was actually going to tip Bottas for the win, but given he is on pole, I am doubtful it'll convert to a win. I now expect Hamilton and/or even Vettel to pass Bottas. That tow is something and the track is so wide, I'm not sure if Mercedes can afford to play road block. On the other hand, Hamilton could be sandwiched if he is not careful, so I am at loss at who is at the biggest advantage. Could be good for 2nd and 3rd on the grid, but could be very bad for Lewis with a bad start.

Either way, Ferrari look quite bad in S3, so who knows, even if the Ferrari's get ahead, I am not that convinced they might be able to win this, as losing in S3 could make you vulnerable on the start/finish DRS straight. Not sure about their tire wear if they overdrive S3 and slide a lot.

My 2 cents.
I'm interested to see how Mercedes handle this situation considering what happened in Monza.

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Vettel actually doesn't look that worried. He seems in good spirits actaully. I think Ferrari have a trick up their sleeves...
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Roxi wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:20
Shrieker wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:18
Sevach wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:17
Vettel's championship hopes are now hanging on a Hamilton's start, if he gets away well this is over.
Hamilton on the dirty side, right ?
I believe so, isn't preferred position Row 2, left side?
Last season the guy in 3rd led after turn 1, but i think the 3 previous years the front row remained as it was.
Rosberg had a big lock up trying to pass Hamilton is 2014.

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Phil wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:24
Shrieker wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:18
Disappointing showing from Lewis. Now he's alongside Vettel, and he will show no mercy.
Who will show no mercy? If they both crash and DNF, it's better for Hamilton, as the gap stays the same with one race less. I'd expect Hamilton to be the one showing no mercy.
Well, Hamilton showed no mercy @ Monza - it was a "back off or crash my lad" move. Look how that turned out. With 6 races out, things are far from over.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:34
Vettel actually doesn't look that worried. He seems in good spirits actaully. I think Ferrari have a trick up their sleeves...
I think Vettel has kissed this championship good bye to be honest. The only "trick" they'd have from my view, is if they lead from lap1 on, which to be fair, I think there's a reasonably high chance of that happening, but considering their pace in the last sector, I think they'd be quite vulnerable to a DRS pass. Given they are also probably struggling more than Mercedes on tire deg, I think makes them vulnerable to being passed on strategy too.

Considering this, I think the probability of both Mercedes finishing ahead of both Ferraris is IMO higher than Vettel finishing ahead of Hamilton.

I'd also say, given how much Ferrari seems to be off the pace, they must be delighted that the worst they will most likely end up finishing (bar a DNF) must be 3rd and 4th, because their only real competitor is RedBull who is starting all the way from the back.


Looking forward to the race, I'm actually wondering if the top10 will just try to run as long as possible on the Ultras they are starting on. If a safety car hits and there's a gap, go onto Softs for the remainder of the race. If they run long, they may be able to put on a HS for the last stint, though I am not sure if they kept any new ones (given they used a few in Q1 (?), Q2 (1) and Q3 (2)) for the race. Going Softs at any point in the race IMO could make you suspect to being overcut.

If Mercedes end up being 1-2 after the first lap, I predict a fairly "boring" and controlled race by Mercedes.



@Shrieker; Did you understand what I was writing? Vettel is the one who is 40 points behind. He has to drive aggressive, yes, because he has little to lose, but he also has everything to lose, if he gets into another clash where he loses out, like in Monza. What this means is that Hamilton can drive aggressive vs. Vettel. If they touch and both crash, it's in Hamiltons advantage, since the gap stays the same, but with less races remaining. So it's more important for Vettel not to crash or be involved in incidents vs. Hamilton. This means that in any straight battle between the two, Hamilton can afford to be more aggressive (under the notion, if they touch/crash, make sure it's damaging to both). In other words, if I were Vettel, I'd try to keep my nose clean and avoid incidents with Hamilton. The championship could still shift, if there's a reliability issue for Hamilton in the next 6 events.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:34
Vettel actually doesn't look that worried. He seems in good spirits actaully. I think Ferrari have a trick up their sleeves...
They have their start trick. However it will not be enough. Even if they are the leader after 1st lap they will be passed during pitstops. Merc is faster.

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Ham vs Vet q3 lap


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I wonder if Vettel's strategy choices have been poleaxed by his aggressive tyre allocation; the race expected to be a one-stopper, starting on ultra's before switching to softs at half distance.

However, Vettel came to Sochi with just one set of softs and a surplus of hypersofts (which for a front runner, except for a two-stopper, are useless for the race).
Further, if Vettel did any long runs on softs in FP, then he only has a really used set of softs; if he did not, then he has no experience of that tyre on a track his car has been poorly set up for (tyre wise).

The odds that Vettel will two-stop tomorrow are strong.

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Is it possible to extract from the video the velocity profile, gear, and engine rpm over time?
A more refined version might even include position on the track, but this requires a bit of extra effort. #-o

I think this will dramatically improve our ability in comparing cars, performances, set ups and will make the forum a little bit more *technical*. :D :D

It shouldn't be too difficult:
1. extract frame from video
2. cut frame in specified position
3. run digit detector / machine learning / whatever you please
4. plot the results over time

I was thinking to writing some code myself, but then I thought some of you might have already thought about it, might already have access to graphs with all this data, or might be a better coder than me :-)

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Juzh wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:58
Ham vs Vet q3 lap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLMVExno2cE

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Juzh wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 15:58
Ham vs Vet q3 lap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLMVExno2cE
It's certainly a change to see Mercedes much more confident over bumps and curbs than Ferrari.