So small floor updates(near the rear tyres and maybe some bargeboard refinements?
So small floor updates(near the rear tyres and maybe some bargeboard refinements?
What are they giving away...that they're moving stuff above the PU? Nothing really earth shattering in that.M840TR wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:25 pmAlso showed a nice view of the engine. It's odd that Zak would give away such information though. Still delighted to hear they're making good progress for next year. 2019 can't come soon enough.charliesmithhd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:24 pmIt was on ted's notebook. Apparently he asked Zak just before the race
https://i.imgur.com/Lgh9BRr.jpg
Yeah but still unusual. Why give anything away for no reason.diffuser wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:03 pmWhat are they giving away...that they're moving stuff above the PU? Nothing really earth shattering in that.M840TR wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:25 pmAlso showed a nice view of the engine. It's odd that Zak would give away such information though. Still delighted to hear they're making good progress for next year. 2019 can't come soon enough.charliesmithhd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:24 pm
It was on ted's notebook. Apparently he asked Zak just before the race
https://i.imgur.com/Lgh9BRr.jpg
Unlikely. Both fit only current design language.charliesmithhd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:59 pmSo small floor updates(near the rear tyres and maybe some bargeboard refinements?
What would they be then?M840TR wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:20 pmUnlikely. Both fit only current design language.charliesmithhd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:59 pmSo small floor updates(near the rear tyres and maybe some bargeboard refinements?
No idea. Maybe front suspension, rear wing; something like that.charliesmithhd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:37 pmWhat would they be then?M840TR wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:20 pmUnlikely. Both fit only current design language.charliesmithhd wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:59 pm
So small floor updates(near the rear tyres and maybe some bargeboard refinements?
When I generated a power curve for the Ferrari at Singapore, using data helpfully extracted from video by @mudflap, I found the power peak at around 11200rpm. Roughly mid way between 10500 and the shift pointvat 11800.Jolle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:55 pmby definition all PU's peak at 10.500 where the max fuel flow starts, with a very flat power curve after that. More revs just add more friction and so a loss of powerhollus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:50 pmOK, I gathered a bit more data on gearing. It is noisy, often from 2-3 data points.
Speeds at 11500 RPM 4th 6th 8th McLaren (ALO) 175 242 316 Mercedes (HAM) 186 256 322 Ferrari (VET) 180 248 320 Renault (HUL) 191 261 329 RedBull (RIC) 333So McLaren is geared shorter. Specially quite a lot shorter than the other Renault teams. Interestingly, only a little bit shorter than Ferrari, which considering the power shortage suggests that the gearing is still within an acceptable range. I don't think Ferrari got it very wrong, and this difference can account for what, 1 tenth a lap?
But, Both Ferrari and Mercedes use a much higher effective rev band, often in the 10500-11750 range, compared to 10300-11500 for Alonso.
Renault seems to be in between, like 10400-11600, and no data for Red Bull. Are their peak powers in different places? They use different fuel suppliers to Renault, don't they?
Summarizing.
McLaren is geared differently, significantly shorter, but not so much that the gears are causing their current place at the back of the grid, IMO. In fact, compared with Ferrari and Mercedes, considering their lower power and higher drag, they might be geared about perfect. The short gearing might be behind their utter inability to overtake, though, by costing extra top speed.
They’ve brought updates which haven’t worked...the EDGE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:42 pm** FUN FACT**
McLaren claim not to have upgraded their car since Barcelona, yet there is 150 pages worth of discussion on here about the MCL33, more than any other current car
that's 15 more than than the next most discussed, Ferrari & 138 pages more than HASS
Only few. When Alonso says upgrades don't work it's usually the case others are bringing bigger ones or their's are minor so the performance gap doesn't changecharliesmithhd wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:16 pmThey’ve brought updates which haven’t worked...the EDGE wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:42 pm** FUN FACT**
McLaren claim not to have upgraded their car since Barcelona, yet there is 150 pages worth of discussion on here about the MCL33, more than any other current car
that's 15 more than than the next most discussed, Ferrari & 138 pages more than HASS