2018 United States Grand Prix - Austin, 19-21 October

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Re: 2018 United States Grand Prix - Austin, 19-21 October

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Anyone else find it strange that we have 2 fuel irregularities in 1 weekend when we have had nothing before this.

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Renault escaped this race with a bunch of points for Sainz and Hulk. They clearly are a worst car than Haas and Force India but a striking lucky recently to keep a gap in the WCC.
I want to see them finish fourth this season, i believe Renault will release for funds for spending if the F1 team comes fourth this year; which means a more competitive Renault for 2019.
For Sure!!

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These maximum fuel regs need to be scrapped as soon as next year!! They're no good. The maximum flow regs are good, but the maximum usage is just restrictive for the racing!!

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Restomaniac wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:40 pm
Anyone else find it strange that we have 2 fuel irregularities in 1 weekend when we have had nothing before this.
Extremely. It feels like it's more likely some kind of data problem where some data got delayed and added to the wrong lap or some other bug rather than cheating.

Or they've all been cheating since the start and some new update caught it on a couple of cars I guess would also be possible.

I can't remember any other fuel flow penalties except was it the very first race and Ricciardo losing a podium place? So no one is caught and two people at this race 4.5 years later, seems, unlikely.

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Fun fact: since he was informed at Monza he wouldn’t be racing for Ferrari next season, Raikkonen has outscored Vettel, 75 to 62.

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Juzh wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:41 pm
yelistener wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:08 pm
Juzh wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:55 am
some laps

rai q3 lap usa 2018 1.32.307
https://streamable.com/zbsad
https://streamable.com/zbsad

ham pole with telemetry
https://streamable.com/zxikq
https://streamable.com/zxikq

alonso q1 lap usa 2018 1.35.294
https://streamable.com/4u8yb
https://streamable.com/4u8yb

bottas q3 lap usa 2018 1:32.686
https://streamable.com/oekhp
https://streamable.com/oekhp
Holy moly Lewis & Kimi took turn 3-5 flatout. Man this year's cars are crazy. Bottas is a loser, having to lift through turn 5.

BTW is this new app telemetry available for eariler grand prix? Would be great because we can add the missing telemtry to the previous pole onboards.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing
Thanks a bunch Juzh! You the man!

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Re: 2018 United States Grand Prix - Austin, 19-21 October

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Hamilton needs to take a lesson from Senna and Schumacher.

Punch Max in the face

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I’m surprised that Force India would breach the fuel flow rate but even more confused as to why would Haas even fill their car with more fuel than they are legally allowed to use? What possible benefit would they garner from running heavier fuel?

They either:

- Breach the maximum fuel allowance, carry more weight for the whole race distance and still get disqualified.
- Run into the reserve for the 2kg fuel sample, fail to supply a sample to the FIA at the end of the race and still get disqualified.
- Run the car out of fuel, retire the car, blame a gearbox issue and get a free one for the next race.

Why even go through the ignominy of a disqualification?!

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GrandAxe wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:22 pm
If Lewis move on Max had happened early in the race before the formation of so many marbles, it would have been "job done, bye, everyone go home" and we would have been talking about another brilliant overtake instead.

The real point to take home though, is that Max can be overtaken in a keen battle without as much as the slightest scratch. Vettel and Bottas just don't know how.
Exactly.

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Jackles-UK wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:14 am
I’m surprised that Force India would breach the fuel flow rate but even more confused as to why would Haas even fill their car with more fuel than they are legally allowed to use? What possible benefit would they garner from running heavier fuel?

They either:

- Breach the maximum fuel allowance, carry more weight for the whole race distance and still get disqualified.
- Run into the reserve for the 2kg fuel sample, fail to supply a sample to the FIA at the end of the race and still get disqualified.
- Run the car out of fuel, retire the car, blame a gearbox issue and get a free one for the next race.

Why even go through the ignominy of a disqualification?!
Yes, makes no sense. Could it be that temperatures changed quickly during the day? If they somehow miscalculated the temperature than they'd be off on the fuel density.

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flmkane wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:12 am
Hamilton needs to take a lesson from Senna and Schumacher.

Punch Max in the face
That would imply Max deserves a punch. He doesn't in this instance; he drove fair 'n square in the USGP.

Maybe he does deserve a rodeo though for the attrocious outfit he had.
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Cannonballer wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:34 pm
DiogoBrand wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:32 pm
Cannonballer wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:29 pm


Vettel deserves the four championships he won, there is no debate he finished each season with the most points. However, it is now clearly debatable whether those championships were because of, or despite, his skills as a driver given the advantage the Red Bull car he was driving had over the rest of the competition. (And before anyone leaps down my throat, I haven't forgotten about Weber. But I don't think he had equal support from within the team.)
Vettel's skills are not, and have never been fitting for a 4 time world champion. That was evident even during his dominant era, those trophies should have Newey's name on them.
I can't agree with you more that Newey is the reason why those 4 championships were won. But Newey is not the driver and Vettel was, so he does deserve the title in that sense. Again, I completely agree with you, Vettel's skill level is seriously lacking lately. I always felt like a bit of a Vettel hater (and Alonzo fanb0i) during his time at Redbull because I didn't think he was that great of a driver. However, every season since his last championship has made his deficiency in wheel to wheel racing, at least when compared to some of his current competitors, more obvious.
Going by these messages Hamilton does not deserve '14 and '15 when a bad race day after a first lap spin or such was second place. Dominant car so he is undeserved? Plus, those Merc's were way, way more dominant than the Red Bull newey cars...

MAMBA

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Another race Vettel could have won.

Well done to Kimi though. He could have won 3 races this year (Austria and Monza being the others). Glad to see he gets at least 1 before he leaves the team.

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Mamba wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:09 am
Cannonballer wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:34 pm
DiogoBrand wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:32 pm


Vettel's skills are not, and have never been fitting for a 4 time world champion. That was evident even during his dominant era, those trophies should have Newey's name on them.
I can't agree with you more that Newey is the reason why those 4 championships were won. But Newey is not the driver and Vettel was, so he does deserve the title in that sense. Again, I completely agree with you, Vettel's skill level is seriously lacking lately. I always felt like a bit of a Vettel hater (and Alonzo fanb0i) during his time at Redbull because I didn't think he was that great of a driver. However, every season since his last championship has made his deficiency in wheel to wheel racing, at least when compared to some of his current competitors, more obvious.
Going by these messages Hamilton does not deserve '14 and '15 when a bad race day after a first lap spin or such was second place. Dominant car so he is undeserved? Plus, those Merc's were way, way more dominant than the Red Bull newey cars...

MAMBA
Hamilton's championships 8n the turbo hybrid era will surely have an asterisk by them given how dominant the car was. Of course it is mitigated by the no holds barred competition with Rosberg the first three years. Blah blah blah.

In the race today Vettel made another relatively unforced error, as he has multiple times this year. What about last year? Or vs Ricciardo? Today's race is not just one bad day at the office, but thia isn't the proper thread for that.

In the race today Vettel no doubt had to be aggressive, but I think he was trying to force something in the first few laps that would have inevitability occurred in another few laps.
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turbof1 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:08 am
flmkane wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:12 am
Hamilton needs to take a lesson from Senna and Schumacher.

Punch Max in the face
That would imply Max deserves a punch. He doesn't in this instance; he drove fair 'n square in the USGP.

Maybe he does deserve a rodeo though for the attrocious outfit he had.
A wise man will carefully calculate the chances of him being beaten to a bloody pulp before punching someone in the face.
The Red Bull driver’s outfit which was missing the matching cowboy’s hat is regarded as Texas cute over that side of the pound.
Was not only happy for Kimi Riakkonen winning the race but also impressed having actually see him smile, also impressed with the respect shown to the General who presented him with his trophy by removing his cap, how many F1 drivers in this era have done military service? To see him in uniform “Kimi Riakkonen during his army days” m.imgur.com. But it doesn’t show him hiding in a ditch when drunk to avoid military police looking for him.