2018 United States Grand Prix - Austin, 19-21 October

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Re: 2018 United States Grand Prix - Austin, 19-21 October

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I've watched the race again. I actually now think that the 2 stop strategy was indeed the right call (1st being under the VSC) for Hamilton. The mistake was the too late 2nd pit stop. He could have overcut Kimi if he had just followed to pit one lap right after Kimi did. Or at least secured an easy 2nd. Kimi won the race at the start, I am so happy and really want to see him winning in the 3 remaining races too. HA!!

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Re: 2018 United States Grand Prix - Austin, 19-21 October

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Silicone would be gone before they even left the pit lane

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dans79 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:08 pm
Magnesium is a good thermal conductor, Silicone not so much. high temp glue now is it? this entire thing sounds like tin foil stupidity.
Right, but throwing a correct fact on a wrong one, doesn't make the wrong one correct. :wink:
No one knows if that story is true or not atm, but it's for sure not your first claim that makes it impossible to be true.
Jolle wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:31 pm
Silicone would be gone before they even left the pit lane
It's a bit funny that several people in a technical forum think that this
Image
is the only form of silicone that exists on this planet. ^^

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... a/3196635/

So on 17th October Mercedes was cleared by the FIA according to this , so why should they suddenly stick sillicon the holes and if they are fed by brake air the sillicone would pop right out doesnt like to attach to magnesium that much I imagine.
And if you look at the redbull version there was alot more going on inside their wheel.

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Vasconia wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:57 pm
F1NAC wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:45 am
Vasconia wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:37 am


Indeed, after some mediocre races Ferrari was back in form. Did the new floor change the situation? Mercedes was half a second faster in the last races and yesterday Ferrari looked very strong. Its difficult to understand these changes. :roll:

Vettel´s pace was great, its a pity that he ruined his chances on Friday, and then again on Sunday.
They didn't use new floor (for rest of the stuff I don't know). I read that they reverted to Belgium spec and abandoned Singapore update (RW). They will re-evaluate them all in Mexico (because of rain on Friday)
Thanks!

Vettel has mentioned that they have been too slow realizing that the updates were not working.
I doubt that he was referring to those updates, because they weren't testing them extensively because of rain

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:26 pm
I've watched the race again. I actually now think that the 2 stop strategy was indeed the right call (1st being under the VSC) for Hamilton. The mistake was the too late 2nd pit stop. He could have overcut Kimi if he had just followed to pit one lap right after Kimi did. Or at least secured an easy 2nd. Kimi won the race at the start, I am so happy and really want to see him winning in the 3 remaining races too. HA!!
Yeah, the problem was that they never planned for a two stop. By the time they realized Hamilton wasn't going to make it, it was too late.
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Mercs performance on the ultra's was good, on the soft's it was atrocious. I guess they never saw it coming because all teams went blind into the race from scanty dry running in FP.

As for those seriously talking about silicone, good luck to you! How anyone can buy that a team would be asked to use basically household sealant so close to their brakes is almost beyond mystery.
Firstly, there are huge centrifugal forces in the wheels; secondly there are very high temperatures in the brakes; thirdly there are huge vibrations and direction changes in the wheels; fourthly except the materials the car is built with do not follow the rules, the FIA cannot mandate a team to use a specific construction material.

Lastly, wouldn't it have been more sensible for "claimers" to claim that the FIA demanded that any holes be closed with magnesium caps, especially since the wheels are made of magnesium?

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gandharva wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:38 pm
It's a bit funny that several people in a technical forum think that this
https://media.bahag.com/assets/resp_pro ... 236628.jpg
is the only form of silicone that exists on this planet. ^^
Pamela Anderson being the other? :wink:

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Edax wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:39 pm
gandharva wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:38 pm
It's a bit funny that several people in a technical forum think that this
https://media.bahag.com/assets/resp_pro ... 236628.jpg
is the only form of silicone that exists on this planet. ^^
Pamela Anderson being the other? :wink:
:D

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Maybe it was a translation error and was referring to silicon rather than silicone. Perhaps the FIA were wanting Mercedes to sand bag for the sake of the audience figures and someone got the word wrong... :lol:
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It's odd that the same people crowing about the irrelevance of the "second sensor" are the same people clinging to an even more absurd theory about silicone.

This is not meant to be adversarial, but please take a step back for a second.

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Edax wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:39 pm
gandharva wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:38 pm
It's a bit funny that several people in a technical forum think that this
https://media.bahag.com/assets/resp_pro ... 236628.jpg
is the only form of silicone that exists on this planet. ^^
Pamela Anderson being the other? :wink:
A pair will make the cars go vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooom! :lol:

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Jolle wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:31 pm
Silicone would be gone before they even left the pit lane
There are silicone versions which can withstand up to 1500°C and are being used in blast furnaces. I don't think that such material would be gone before they even left the pit lane.

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1500°C silicone is pretty cool and all but how is any of this going to help Vettel win his 5th championship this year? Let's focus on the real issues here guys. 3 races left in the season, he's got to turn it up if he's going to win it.
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TAG wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:35 pm
3 races left in the season, he's got to turn it up if he's going to win it.
Vettel can not win the title, he can only be gifted it from now on by some monumental misfortune occuring to Hamilton. Even if Vettel wins all three races, Hamilton only needs one 7th place finish out of three races. Short of an awful accident that puts Hamilton out of the next race and the rest of the season, there isn't much hope for Vettel. Heck, even if Hamilton has to take a grid penalty, the reality is that the top 6 are so far ahead of the rest in terms of race performance that he can make up a pit lane start to finish 6th or better quite easily.

All Vettel can do is try to win each race. That's it. The rest is down to misfortune occuring to others.
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