I'll take the views of the most successful F1 driver of his generation over a guy who couldn't drive a greased stick up a dog's backside...TwanV wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 15:47I will repeat again, no other driver bar Hamilton and of course Ocon himself agree with any of the arguments made here by armchair (un)-officials for 49 pages now.
Another POV from a former driver, this time Jolyon Palmer: https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46188703
Probably because all cars create wake and that also hampers lapped cars.
Meh, same could be said about anyone here, except he made it to F1.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 16:35I'll take the views of the most successful F1 driver of his generation over a guy who couldn't drive a greased stick up a dog's backside...TwanV wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 15:47I will repeat again, no other driver bar Hamilton and of course Ocon himself agree with any of the arguments made here by armchair (un)-officials for 49 pages now.
Another POV from a former driver, this time Jolyon Palmer: https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46188703
Well said Phil. Max only has himself to blame - if he'd been the guy he thinks he is, he'd have let Ocon play his unlapping game and just got on with his own race. That he decided to force the issue and try to close Ocon out is what caused the collision, not Ocon's unlapping.
Phil, I don't know what's happened to you as you were very balanced all in all but it seems you've entrenched yourself in your stance on this (and maybe the drivers in question on the whole?). What you're saying here makes absolutely no sense to me as you make some categorical statement on somebody's worth and don't take into account the opposite view.Phil wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 16:47I would have been extremely impressed by Max (and his followers) if he had come out after the race and immediately put up his hand and said "it was silly to fight Ocon for position, I wasn't looking at the long game". But continuing to point his finger at the other guy, whinging about how unjust it was that his win was taken and refusing to see what he himself could have done differently shows his arrogance and entitlement and unfortunately will only encourage him to repeat these avoidable mistakes. Good luck with winning a championship with that attitude...
Still peddling the tin foil hat stuff, eh? Was Flavio seen behind the grassy knoll with a remote control for Ocon's car?TwanV wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 16:48He has a point though, Ocon probably wouldn't do the same with Hamilton, particularly because he plays the wingman game as we saw in Monaco. And they work together for the same employee. And Hamilton and Verstappen are actually (if all goes well for RB next year) going to be rivals. So I don't read to much into Hamilton's comments. that 5 times world championship argument is getting old already by the way.. I mean, he does say some dumb things often, like accusing Ferrari of tricks etc.
That's the spirit! With a bit of effort this thread can keep people occupied for the whole off-season period. It'll help keep the rest of the site clean of arguments too.
rewatch Monaco then, you'll know why people assume these things. Toto basically admitted this stuff is part of this guy's contract. https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/1548 ... in-monaco/Just_a_fan wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 16:58Still peddling the tin foil hat stuff, eh? Was Flavio seen behind the grassy knoll with a remote control for Ocon's car?TwanV wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 16:48He has a point though, Ocon probably wouldn't do the same with Hamilton, particularly because he plays the wingman game as we saw in Monaco. And they work together for the same employee. And Hamilton and Verstappen are actually (if all goes well for RB next year) going to be rivals. So I don't read to much into Hamilton's comments. that 5 times world championship argument is getting old already by the way.. I mean, he does say some dumb things often, like accusing Ferrari of tricks etc.
No I didn't say that. You challenge me with this tin foil hat stuff. I said that he would be told to leave Hamilton alone. Lets hope it stays with that, because anything else is foul play. But let's be clear: What this says is that Mercedes doesn't give a damn about anyone, they want to win at all cost, regardless of the show or some sense of fair play.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 17:09So you think Toto ordered Ocon to crash in to Max?
Oh look, here comes Flavio after all. Hi Flavio!