2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

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2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by MtthsMlw » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:54 pm

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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by SiLo » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:26 pm

Easy to forget that Hamilton ran utterly ridiculous pace the whole grand prix to only end up 5 seconds behind the winner considering where he started.
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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:35 pm

He had the luxury of having full access to "mad mode" on his PU, of course. It does rather show what the cars could do if they were allowed to by the rules. I remember Hamilton saying he was very tired after that run through the field, and I remember people claiming he shouldn't be as it was easy to do as the car is so good etc. What it showed was that these cars could, if allowed to, be too much for the drivers to drive flat out for a full race distance. I watched a video of the driver of the Porsche 919 Tribute car - he said that the car is difficult to drive and manage and that the driver is the limit, not the car. In F1, the rules have made the car the limit rather than the driver. I'd love to see them just all be allowed full access to the PU for the whole race. I bet we'd see mistakes in the later stages as the drivers basically got too tired to manage.
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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by TAG » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:46 pm

Ferrari need to win with both guys on the podium to stay in the constructor's race.
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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by santos » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:52 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:35 pm
He had the luxury of having full access to "mad mode" on his PU, of course. It does rather show what the cars could do if they were allowed to by the rules. I remember Hamilton saying he was very tired after that run through the field, and I remember people claiming he shouldn't be as it was easy to do as the car is so good etc. What it showed was that these cars could, if allowed to, be too much for the drivers to drive flat out for a full race distance. I watched a video of the driver of the Porsche 919 Tribute car - he said that the car is difficult to drive and manage and that the driver is the limit, not the car. In F1, the rules have made the car the limit rather than the driver. I'd love to see them just all be allowed full access to the PU for the whole race. I bet we'd see mistakes in the later stages as the drivers basically got too tired to manage.
I wouldn't say that they should drive at the max of PU. It has to last more then a race. I just don't the like the way the tyres are done. Managing the tyres from lap one it's an absurd. Teams spend so much Money to gain performance, and when the race comes, they have to race like they were a sunday driver.

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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:54 pm

santos wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:52 pm

I wouldn't say that they should drive at the max of PU. It has to last more then a race.
Lack of overall pace (compared to maximum pace in the car if all constraints were removed) is as much because they have to mange the life of the PU and gearbox as it is about the tyres. The tyres don't help, of course, but the teams wouldn't run flat out even on tyres that could allow them to. The teams would still have to balance PU / gearbox life against pace. Sure, one could argue that they'd put more effort in to making the PU and gearbox more robust, but then they'd likely lose some of the performance too. Then there's the fuel limitation to remember too. If they ran flat out for the whole race, they'd all run out of fuel after an hour!
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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by saviour stivala » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:10 pm

number 44 started the race before last one of season on a fresh brand new power unit and gearbox.

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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by saviour stivala » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:27 pm

Power unit reliability at least by the two top manufacturers have reached a level never seen before in formula 1.

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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by Roxi » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:50 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:35 pm
He had the luxury of having full access to "mad mode" on his PU, of course. It does rather show what the cars could do if they were allowed to by the rules. I remember Hamilton saying he was very tired after that run through the field, and I remember people claiming he shouldn't be as it was easy to do as the car is so good etc. What it showed was that these cars could, if allowed to, be too much for the drivers to drive flat out for a full race distance. I watched a video of the driver of the Porsche 919 Tribute car - he said that the car is difficult to drive and manage and that the driver is the limit, not the car. In F1, the rules have made the car the limit rather than the driver. I'd love to see them just all be allowed full access to the PU for the whole race. I bet we'd see mistakes in the later stages as the drivers basically got too tired to manage.
Not to stray off topic, but I have only ever felt this way one time driving a road car. Everything else that I drive seems pretty boring, more or so in a sense that I only ever slow down either because I run out of room, or someone gets in my way. Only once have I ever been the limiting factor in a driving situation. Pretty surreal feeling, makes you swallow your nuts for sure. ;)

But I think this is a interesting concept. Would be neat to watch drivers spin/ make mistakes from being pushed to hard by another driver. Sounds cool.

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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by GrandAxe » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:48 am

Merc used old spec 2 engines for Mexico, so we can expect them to run absolutely wild with much newer engines in Brazil. The WCC is still up for grabs.

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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by PlatinumZealot » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:53 am

santos wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:52 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:35 pm
He had the luxury of having full access to "mad mode" on his PU, of course. It does rather show what the cars could do if they were allowed to by the rules. I remember Hamilton saying he was very tired after that run through the field, and I remember people claiming he shouldn't be as it was easy to do as the car is so good etc. What it showed was that these cars could, if allowed to, be too much for the drivers to drive flat out for a full race distance. I watched a video of the driver of the Porsche 919 Tribute car - he said that the car is difficult to drive and manage and that the driver is the limit, not the car. In F1, the rules have made the car the limit rather than the driver. I'd love to see them just all be allowed full access to the PU for the whole race. I bet we'd see mistakes in the later stages as the drivers basically got too tired to manage.
I wouldn't say that they should drive at the max of PU. It has to last more then a race. I just don't the like the way the tyres are done. Managing the tyres from lap one it's an absurd. Teams spend so much Money to gain performance, and when the race comes, they have to race like they were a sunday driver.
The tires are not the problem. The penalty you pay for a pit stop, and the subsequent drive though traffic is!
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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by search » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:17 pm

GrandAxe wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:48 am
Merc used old spec 2 engines for Mexico, so we can expect them to run absolutely wild with much newer engines in Brazil. The WCC is still up for grabs.
well, "old" in terms of the specification, yes, but the Spec 3 was introduced in Monza, so that's 5 races since then and not that much of a difference in milage compared to the Spec 2 they introduced in France (even less so for Bottas, who got a new one in Silverstone).

Bottas already got the Spec 3 back in the car after FP3 in Mexico btw

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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by Restomaniac » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:18 pm

I’ve a feeling that Ferrari will win the WCC.

I could be wrong but it’s just an inclination I have.

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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by Manoah2u » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:20 pm

Not even close.
Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools.

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Re: 2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

Post by Restomaniac » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:36 pm

Manoah2u wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:20 pm
Not even close.
It needs to be remembered that Hamilton has never won a race after securing the title and Bottas has currently been miles off.