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Ringleheim wrote:
What does he mean "The whole car is positioned in that area" ???

good!
I expect that they estimate required levels of downforce ( like min+max for the season) and they then optimize drag. Now, if they‘ve estimated the required baseline df too low, they can‘t increase their df without losing aero efficiency.

Mercedes probably knew this and thus went with the conventional frontwing and concept.



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2020 probably...there is no chance of any major change happenning this year .

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Jozsusz wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 22:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ZCbGuWaCk

Well, well, well...
So, according to Rosberg, they developed the car "incorrectly" with the car lacking downforce and a new rear-wing (designed to provide that extra needed downforce efficiently) still in the works.

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Kantzila wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 22:33
Jozsusz wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 22:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ZCbGuWaCk

Well, well, well...
So, according to Rosberg, they developed the car "incorrectly" with the car lacking downforce and a new rear-wing (designed to provide that extra needed downforce efficiently) still in the works.
Well he actually said a new rear wing may not solve the problem because it could make the downforce they are generating and overall car inefficient

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wickedz50 wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 21:57
2020 probably...there is no chance of any major change happenning this year .
merc rewrote its car last year after barcellona exactly because they had low downforce
good to know you are an optimist

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Kantzila wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 22:33
Jozsusz wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 22:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ZCbGuWaCk

Well, well, well...
So, according to Rosberg, they developed the car "incorrectly" with the car lacking downforce and a new rear-wing (designed to provide that extra needed downforce efficiently) still in the works.
Rosberg is a superhero just like Newey and has CFD vision? I had no clue.

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Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
#AeroFrodo

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turbof1 wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 03:50
Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
nahhh
the end of the world ( pardon of the championship ) has already begun

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turbof1 wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 03:50
Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.

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GrandAxe wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 10:26
turbof1 wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 03:50
Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.
5 seconds in a hour race seems a pretty recoverable gap, aero choices suited for this track or not ( and i think it is strange they will wait spain for the new aero package to recover it )

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mmred wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 10:30
GrandAxe wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 10:26
turbof1 wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 03:50
Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.
5 seconds in a hour race seems a pretty recoverable gap, aero choices suited for this track or not ( and i think it is strange they will wait spain for the new aero package to recover it )
5 seconds is easily recoverable, true. But Ferrari's aero issue really came to the fore on this track, the understeery front end refuses to bite. Did you notice how much front tyre locking both cars had through the race?

Ferrari seems to have gone for a low downforce, high engine power, high speed configuration. Unfortunately though, the engine seems to have reliability problems that means that any gains from high speed are lost, in turn, making their low downforce very costly.

If an aero package is not due until Spain, then it must be a pretty comprehensive one, perhaps they might even (hopefully) change their front wing style. If the engine gremlins are easier to fix, then might keep their present configuration and become a real bullet on the track - a monster, particularly at tracks like Spa and Monza.

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GrandAxe wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 11:19
mmred wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 10:30
GrandAxe wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 10:26


The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.
5 seconds in a hour race seems a pretty recoverable gap, aero choices suited for this track or not ( and i think it is strange they will wait spain for the new aero package to recover it )
5 seconds is easily recoverable, true. But Ferrari's aero issue really came to the fore on this track, the understeery front end refuses to bite. Did you notice how much front tyre locking both cars had through the race?

Ferrari seems to have gone for a low downforce, high engine power, high speed configuration. Unfortunately though, the engine seems to have reliability problems that means that any gains from high speed are lost, in turn, making their low downforce very costly.

If an aero package is not due until Spain, then it must be a pretty comprehensive one, perhaps they might even (hopefully) change their front wing style. If the engine gremlins are easier to fix, then might keep their present configuration and become a real bullet on the track - a monster, particularly at tracks like Spa and Monza.
do they lack front downforce? their front wing philosophy could be the culprit?

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GrandAxe wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 11:19
mmred wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 10:30
GrandAxe wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 10:26


The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.
5 seconds in a hour race seems a pretty recoverable gap, aero choices suited for this track or not ( and i think it is strange they will wait spain for the new aero package to recover it )
5 seconds is easily recoverable, true. But Ferrari's aero issue really came to the fore on this track, the understeery front end refuses to bite. Did you notice how much front tyre locking both cars had through the race?

Ferrari seems to have gone for a low downforce, high engine power, high speed configuration. Unfortunately though, the engine seems to have reliability problems that means that any gains from high speed are lost, in turn, making their low downforce very costly.

If an aero package is not due until Spain, then it must be a pretty comprehensive one, perhaps they might even (hopefully) change their front wing style. If the engine gremlins are easier to fix, then might keep their present configuration and become a real bullet on the track - a monster, particularly at tracks like Spa and Monza.
the front locks have more to do with brake balance and slowering very much at slow corners

remember they have a problem in slow ones, on fast corners they alread have a bit of advantage instead (barhein...)
so it s a mixed situation,like last year mercedes at the first races, plus the engine advantage , bots allowing, is a better resource merc didnt have last year....

we can see a recover if the aero department delivers

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