Scuderia Ferrari SF90

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by Tzk » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:46 pm

Ringleheim wrote:
What does he mean "The whole car is positioned in that area" ???

good!
I expect that they estimate required levels of downforce ( like min+max for the season) and they then optimize drag. Now, if they‘ve estimated the required baseline df too low, they can‘t increase their df without losing aero efficiency.

Mercedes probably knew this and thus went with the conventional frontwing and concept.



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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by wickedz50 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:57 pm

2020 probably...there is no chance of any major change happenning this year .

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by Jozsusz » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:08 pm


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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by Kantzila » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:33 pm

Jozsusz wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ZCbGuWaCk

Well, well, well...
So, according to Rosberg, they developed the car "incorrectly" with the car lacking downforce and a new rear-wing (designed to provide that extra needed downforce efficiently) still in the works.

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by Jordan44 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:00 pm

Kantzila wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:33 pm
Jozsusz wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ZCbGuWaCk

Well, well, well...
So, according to Rosberg, they developed the car "incorrectly" with the car lacking downforce and a new rear-wing (designed to provide that extra needed downforce efficiently) still in the works.
Well he actually said a new rear wing may not solve the problem because it could make the downforce they are generating and overall car inefficient

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by mmred » Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:01 pm

wickedz50 wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:57 pm
2020 probably...there is no chance of any major change happenning this year .
merc rewrote its car last year after barcellona exactly because they had low downforce
good to know you are an optimist

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by dtro » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:19 am

Kantzila wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:33 pm
Jozsusz wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ZCbGuWaCk

Well, well, well...
So, according to Rosberg, they developed the car "incorrectly" with the car lacking downforce and a new rear-wing (designed to provide that extra needed downforce efficiently) still in the works.
Rosberg is a superhero just like Newey and has CFD vision? I had no clue.

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by turbof1 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:50 am

Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
#AeroFrodo

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by mmred » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:42 am

turbof1 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:50 am
Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
nahhh
the end of the world ( pardon of the championship ) has already begun

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by ScrewCaptain27 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:14 am

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by GrandAxe » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:26 am

turbof1 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:50 am
Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by mmred » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:30 am

GrandAxe wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:26 am
turbof1 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:50 am
Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.
5 seconds in a hour race seems a pretty recoverable gap, aero choices suited for this track or not ( and i think it is strange they will wait spain for the new aero package to recover it )

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by GrandAxe » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:19 am

mmred wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:30 am
GrandAxe wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:26 am
turbof1 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:50 am
Aren't you guys a bit ahead with the "no downforce"? The same was being discussed last race... In the W10 topic!

Let's wait the conjecture a bit longer across several races. Conjecture includes what Rosberg is saying. He is no engineer. Yes he might (or might not) have good sources, but we can't necessarily take his word for it.
The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.
5 seconds in a hour race seems a pretty recoverable gap, aero choices suited for this track or not ( and i think it is strange they will wait spain for the new aero package to recover it )
5 seconds is easily recoverable, true. But Ferrari's aero issue really came to the fore on this track, the understeery front end refuses to bite. Did you notice how much front tyre locking both cars had through the race?

Ferrari seems to have gone for a low downforce, high engine power, high speed configuration. Unfortunately though, the engine seems to have reliability problems that means that any gains from high speed are lost, in turn, making their low downforce very costly.

If an aero package is not due until Spain, then it must be a pretty comprehensive one, perhaps they might even (hopefully) change their front wing style. If the engine gremlins are easier to fix, then might keep their present configuration and become a real bullet on the track - a monster, particularly at tracks like Spa and Monza.

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by siskue2005 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:41 am

GrandAxe wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:19 am
mmred wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:30 am
GrandAxe wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:26 am


The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.
5 seconds in a hour race seems a pretty recoverable gap, aero choices suited for this track or not ( and i think it is strange they will wait spain for the new aero package to recover it )
5 seconds is easily recoverable, true. But Ferrari's aero issue really came to the fore on this track, the understeery front end refuses to bite. Did you notice how much front tyre locking both cars had through the race?

Ferrari seems to have gone for a low downforce, high engine power, high speed configuration. Unfortunately though, the engine seems to have reliability problems that means that any gains from high speed are lost, in turn, making their low downforce very costly.

If an aero package is not due until Spain, then it must be a pretty comprehensive one, perhaps they might even (hopefully) change their front wing style. If the engine gremlins are easier to fix, then might keep their present configuration and become a real bullet on the track - a monster, particularly at tracks like Spa and Monza.
do they lack front downforce? their front wing philosophy could be the culprit?

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by mmred » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:50 am

GrandAxe wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:19 am
mmred wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:30 am
GrandAxe wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:26 am


The downforce argument will only get deservedly stronger after this weekend.
5 seconds in a hour race seems a pretty recoverable gap, aero choices suited for this track or not ( and i think it is strange they will wait spain for the new aero package to recover it )
5 seconds is easily recoverable, true. But Ferrari's aero issue really came to the fore on this track, the understeery front end refuses to bite. Did you notice how much front tyre locking both cars had through the race?

Ferrari seems to have gone for a low downforce, high engine power, high speed configuration. Unfortunately though, the engine seems to have reliability problems that means that any gains from high speed are lost, in turn, making their low downforce very costly.

If an aero package is not due until Spain, then it must be a pretty comprehensive one, perhaps they might even (hopefully) change their front wing style. If the engine gremlins are easier to fix, then might keep their present configuration and become a real bullet on the track - a monster, particularly at tracks like Spa and Monza.
the front locks have more to do with brake balance and slowering very much at slow corners

remember they have a problem in slow ones, on fast corners they alread have a bit of advantage instead (barhein...)
so it s a mixed situation,like last year mercedes at the first races, plus the engine advantage , bots allowing, is a better resource merc didnt have last year....

we can see a recover if the aero department delivers