2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by mwillems » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:06 am

GoranF1 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:01 pm
mwillems wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:46 pm
Hmm, well I didn't factor in penalties, overheating rears and brakes melting suspension parts into my optimism for this race.

Looks like Renault are back in the game, at least for this race. Should be a good fight over the next few races.
I dont think either Renault or Ferrari are back...this is a specific track, they were good in Bahrain, here and they will be good in Monza and Mexico(maybe)
I dont think Ferrari are either, sheer power kept them ahead. But considering that the McLaren is based on aerodynamic efficiency you'd think that the the straights here would tip the favour towards mcl over Renault, but they didn't.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by SmallSoldier » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:17 am

mwillems wrote:
GoranF1 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:01 pm
mwillems wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:46 pm
Hmm, well I didn't factor in penalties, overheating rears and brakes melting suspension parts into my optimism for this race.

Looks like Renault are back in the game, at least for this race. Should be a good fight over the next few races.
I dont think either Renault or Ferrari are back...this is a specific track, they were good in Bahrain, here and they will be good in Monza and Mexico(maybe)
I dont think Ferrari are either, sheer power kept them ahead. But considering that the McLaren is based on aerodynamic efficiency you'd think that the the straights here would tip the favour towards mcl over Renault, but they didn't.
I guess we will never know how good the car could have been... Carlos’ Race was compromised in lap 4 and couldn’t show his actual pace through the race while trying to conserve his tires... And Lando’s Race was over at the beginning of the race too.

Still a lot of racing ahead of us this season.


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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by _cerber1 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:33 am

Paul Ricard, is McLaren not very suitable?

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by chrisgr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 am

_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:33 am
Paul Ricard, is McLaren not very suitable?
I dont think it matters alot. Look what happened in Canada, where track suits us. Anyway, both cars had a problem with brakes. It cant be a coincidence, even if Sainz only had some debris. We lost double points score for brake problems.

edit: Because Paul Ricard is Renault's home race, I suppose they will bring a lot of updates. Mclaren is a (marginally) better car all around until now but things can change easily.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Andres125sx » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:21 am

So brakes problems on both cars, presumably both due to debris blocking air intakes, compromised Carlos race forcing to do 67 laps on same tires, and melting Lando suspension. It´s a shame since McLaren was performing really well this weekend

Some will say drivers did underperform again tough :roll:

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by _cerber1 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:34 am

chrisgr wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 am
_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:33 am
Paul Ricard, is McLaren not very suitable?
I dont think it matters alot. Look what happened in Canada, where track suits us. Anyway, both cars had a problem with brakes. It cant be a coincidence, even if Sainz only had some debris. We lost double points score for brake problems.

edit: Because Paul Ricard is Renault's home race, I suppose they will bring a lot of updates. Mclaren is a (marginally) better car all around until now but things can change easily.
French track is limited in front? It seems that this is not very suitable for our chassis.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by mwillems » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:43 pm

Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:21 am
So brakes problems on both cars, presumably both due to debris blocking air intakes, compromised Carlos race forcing to do 67 laps on same tires, and melting Lando suspension. It´s a shame since McLaren was performing really well this weekend

Some will say drivers did underperform again tough :roll:
I'm not sure anyone has looked at mechanical failures / issues and blamed the drivers, it's just you putting that out there I think, but if it suits you're narrative then i dont mind 😊

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by bauc » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:58 pm

So Renault is bringing update package to their home race in two weeks time, should we expect Mclaren to use Silverstone for theirs? I have't heard anything yet tho....
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:06 pm

_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:34 am
chrisgr wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 am
_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:33 am
Paul Ricard, is McLaren not very suitable?
I dont think it matters alot. Look what happened in Canada, where track suits us. Anyway, both cars had a problem with brakes. It cant be a coincidence, even if Sainz only had some debris. We lost double points score for brake problems.

edit: Because Paul Ricard is Renault's home race, I suppose they will bring a lot of updates. Mclaren is a (marginally) better car all around until now but things can change easily.
French track is limited in front? It seems that this is not very suitable for our chassis.
It's quite front limited indeed. Sort of like Barcelona. Judging by the pattern so far the performance will probably be quite bad. Renault is bringing a substantial upgrade as well while still being a bit ahead on pace currently, so the outlook looks bleak in terms of pace.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:15 pm

bauc wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:58 pm
So Renault is bringing update package to their home race in two weeks time, should we expect Mclaren to use Silverstone for theirs? I have't heard anything yet tho....
They had production issues, otherwise the upgrade was scheduled for earlier. As for Mclaren, that's the second new floor in only 2 races so they're on it.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by godlameroso » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:56 pm

_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:34 am
chrisgr wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 am
_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:33 am
Paul Ricard, is McLaren not very suitable?
I dont think it matters alot. Look what happened in Canada, where track suits us. Anyway, both cars had a problem with brakes. It cant be a coincidence, even if Sainz only had some debris. We lost double points score for brake problems.

edit: Because Paul Ricard is Renault's home race, I suppose they will bring a lot of updates. Mclaren is a (marginally) better car all around until now but things can change easily.
French track is limited in front? It seems that this is not very suitable for our chassis.
Its front limited in the final 3 curves which are long and low speed. All other corners have relatively fast entries, save the slowest turn which leads onto the back straight.

Alonso managed to score points there last year. They can do it again with a trouble free weekend. The car is fast enough to finish every race in the points, and getting better every round. There are still costly operational errors holding them back.
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:03 pm

godlameroso wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:56 pm
_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:34 am
chrisgr wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 am


I dont think it matters alot. Look what happened in Canada, where track suits us. Anyway, both cars had a problem with brakes. It cant be a coincidence, even if Sainz only had some debris. We lost double points score for brake problems.

edit: Because Paul Ricard is Renault's home race, I suppose they will bring a lot of updates. Mclaren is a (marginally) better car all around until now but things can change easily.
French track is limited in front? It seems that this is not very suitable for our chassis.
Its front limited in the final 3 curves which are long and low speed. All other corners have relatively fast entries, save the slowest turn which leads onto the back straight.

Alonso managed to score points there last year. They can do it again with a trouble free weekend. The car is fast enough to finish every race in the points, and getting better every round. There are still costly operational errors holding them back.
Alonso was a DNF at Paul Ricard last year.
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by diffuser » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:35 pm

M840TR wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:06 pm
_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:34 am
chrisgr wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 am


I dont think it matters alot. Look what happened in Canada, where track suits us. Anyway, both cars had a problem with brakes. It cant be a coincidence, even if Sainz only had some debris. We lost double points score for brake problems.

edit: Because Paul Ricard is Renault's home race, I suppose they will bring a lot of updates. Mclaren is a (marginally) better car all around until now but things can change easily.
French track is limited in front? It seems that this is not very suitable for our chassis.
It's quite front limited indeed. Sort of like Barcelona. Judging by the pattern so far the performance will probably be quite bad. Renault is bringing a substantial upgrade as well while still being a bit ahead on pace currently, so the outlook looks bleak in terms of pace.
It all depends on how accurate some of the speeds are. It isn't clear to me if McLaren are front end limited at slow speeds and not so much at high speed.


There was talk about removing turns 8 and 9 from the 2019 configuration last year.
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:48 pm

godlameroso wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:56 pm
_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:34 am
chrisgr wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 am


I dont think it matters alot. Look what happened in Canada, where track suits us. Anyway, both cars had a problem with brakes. It cant be a coincidence, even if Sainz only had some debris. We lost double points score for brake problems.

edit: Because Paul Ricard is Renault's home race, I suppose they will bring a lot of updates. Mclaren is a (marginally) better car all around until now but things can change easily.
French track is limited in front? It seems that this is not very suitable for our chassis.
Its front limited in the final 3 curves which are long and low speed. All other corners have relatively fast entries, save the slowest turn which leads onto the back straight.

Alonso managed to score points there last year. They can do it again with a trouble free weekend. The car is fast enough to finish every race in the points, and getting better every round. There are still costly operational errors holding them back.
Wait, no...

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:50 pm

diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:35 pm
M840TR wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:06 pm
_cerber1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:34 am


French track is limited in front? It seems that this is not very suitable for our chassis.
It's quite front limited indeed. Sort of like Barcelona. Judging by the pattern so far the performance will probably be quite bad. Renault is bringing a substantial upgrade as well while still being a bit ahead on pace currently, so the outlook looks bleak in terms of pace.
It all depends on how accurate some of the speeds are. It isn't clear to me if McLaren are front end limited at slow speeds and not so much at high speed.


There was talk about removing turns 8 and 9 from the 2019 configuration last year.
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ck-map.jpg
Understeer mostly hits at high entry speed, doesn't matter if the corner is slow or fast.