2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[RonDennis]

Mercedes are fighting for titles and have the highest budget. If you can get that engine, you take it. The comparisons with Williams and Racing Point are just stupid.

[Big Tea]

Mercedes are fighting for titles and have the highest budget. If you can get that engine, you take it. The comparisons with Williams and Racing Point are just stupid.

Don't agree. Williams have a Merc engine and are dead last. Compare it to giving a kid a bike. Give him a 50 speed racing drop handle bike if he is a wobbler or give him a 3 speed mountain bike?

Straight off the second option is best. Dame with Mclaren. give them time to be stable.

[Darth-Piekus]

Why would Mclaren destabilize themselves by integrating a new engine when their car is set up in the Renault engine?

[Ground Effect]

Premium customer deal? Where do you get this stuff from? Customer deals already comes with full support. The only difference is that you have to pay money and don't have anything to say about the design.

James Allen, during the winter test of 2017, he said McLaren wanted a works level deal, which simply means they pay for it. Zak Brown also said that ONLY Renault gave them all that they asked for, which clearly means there’s more to it.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... 1/1390232/

It's your interpretation. Mercedes said that they couldn't supply a fourth team, which meant that Renault was their only option. The article you linked even states that Renault is "open to their suggestion", not that they will have any influence on the design based on the contract.

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/2188 ... es-mclaren

I think you’re not starting from the beginning. McLaren started making moves to ditch Honda during Barcelona pre season tests of 2017. They were trying to see if they would get the Mercedes deal, then change engines a couple of months into the season, the rules allow it, by the way. Supply would not have been an issue because Mercedes had already made provisions for Manor, who had hoped to be on the grid, up until early 2017 they were trying to be rescued. But they stuck with Honda and the question of a 4th team arose for 2018 when McLaren were looking for the 2018 switch.
James Allen had reported that Mansour Ojjeh was relying on the good relationship he had over the years with the Mercedes boss to secure the Manor allocation for 2017, but the works status request made it a non starter. Of course that was not the official reason given, as you can imagine. There were articles on it, like below

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/39290908

[SmallSoldier]

If the rumor is true and Mclaren has a chance to have what has clearly been the benchmark in the sport since the Hybrid era started it would be great news... This is a sport of incremental improvements and if the Mercedes engine would provide a couple tenths, the team would be well served with it.

The Renault engine is good and a clear improvement for the team over the Honda engine, but there are still some question marks in regards to it’s reliability... The Mercedes unit on the other hand is arguably the best overall PU (when considering power and reliability) and the one that has won every Championship, why wouldn’t they want it?

Talking about Williams or Racing Point as references of the PU is completely absurd since their performance (or lack thereof) isn’t related to the PU, but completely regarding their Chassis/Aero packages.

Time will tell


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[Darth-Piekus]

If the rumor is true and Mclaren has a chance to have what has clearly been the benchmark in the sport since the Hybrid era started it would be great news... This is a sport of incremental improvements and if the Mercedes engine would provide a couple tenths, the team would be well served with it.

The Renault engine is good and a clear improvement for the team over the Honda engine, but there are still some question marks in regards to it’s reliability... The Mercedes unit on the other hand is arguably the best overall PU (when considering power and reliability) and the one that has won every Championship, why wouldn’t they want it?

Talking about Williams or Racing Point as references of the PU is completely absurd since their performance (or lack thereof) isn’t related to the PU, but completely regarding their Chassis/Aero packages.

Time will tell


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That's all good and well but what if by changing Engines they are gonna destabilize their chassis who is now designed around the Renault Engine and lose yet another year to design it around the Mercedes engine?

[SmallSoldier]

If the rumor is true and Mclaren has a chance to have what has clearly been the benchmark in the sport since the Hybrid era started it would be great news... This is a sport of incremental improvements and if the Mercedes engine would provide a couple tenths, the team would be well served with it.

The Renault engine is good and a clear improvement for the team over the Honda engine, but there are still some question marks in regards to it’s reliability... The Mercedes unit on the other hand is arguably the best overall PU (when considering power and reliability) and the one that has won every Championship, why wouldn’t they want it?

Talking about Williams or Racing Point as references of the PU is completely absurd since their performance (or lack thereof) isn’t related to the PU, but completely regarding their Chassis/Aero packages.

Time will tell


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That's all good and well but what if by changing Engines they are gonna destabilize their chassis who is now designed around the Renault Engine and lose yet another year to design it around the Mercedes engine?

The Mercedes packaging isn’t inferior and could actually benefit the performance of the car... I’ve always thought that people over react to the change in engines, if done properly and early enough it shouldn’t create many compromises at all... Teams that have changed from one supplier to another have not suffered because of it (STR last year, RBH this year)... If the concern is because of 2018, the problems of the MCL33 didn’t had anything to do with the change from Honda to Renault.


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[diffuser]

Mercedes are fighting for titles and have the highest budget. If you can get that engine, you take it. The comparisons with Williams and Racing Point are just stupid.

Disagree.

[geogate]

it entirely depends on the agreement. If it were like the last time they were customers, then it's a terrible idea. Not willing to take EJ word for it anyways, so far it has zero credibility

[Xero]

Typical Eddie Jordan. Jumps on any wild rumours going around and tries to pass them off as "insider knowledge", then sticks his chest out when the 1 in 10 of them actually happen. Has to fuel his ego somehow these days.

Brilliant race to watch! Sainz drove perfectly against a much quicker Renault down the straights with DRS, actually surprised he held on! The McLaren looked visibly faster through the corners though, much better exit speeds. Shame for Lando, team should have pitted him under the safety car, their first real mistake all season.

[taperoo2k]

it entirely depends on the agreement. If it were like the last time they were customers, then it's a terrible idea. Not willing to take EJ word for it anyways, so far it has zero credibility

A customer engine deal is the best McLaren can hope for until the engine regulations
change and they can attract a manufacturer to partner with them in a works deal.
I'd definitely swap the Renault PU for a Mercedes PU if the option is there.
As for EJ ? He's got a few stories right in the past, but we'll see.

If you don't get the chassis design correct then you'll be in heaps of
trouble no matter if you've got the best or worst engine on the grid in
the back of the car. McLaren have turned their fortunes around, so a change
in PU shouldn't pose too much of a problem if it's for 2020. A mid season swap
might be more problematic but the changes the team has made should
see them through it.

[diffuser]

it entirely depends on the agreement. If it were like the last time they were customers, then it's a terrible idea. Not willing to take EJ word for it anyways, so far it has zero credibility

A customer engine deal is the best McLaren can hope for until the engine regulations
change and they can attract a manufacturer to partner with them in a works deal.
I'd definitely swap the Renault PU for a Mercedes PU if the option is there.
As for EJ ? He's got a few stories right in the past, but we'll see.

If you don't get the chassis design correct then you'll be in heaps of
trouble no matter if you've got the best or worst engine on the grid in
the back of the car. McLaren have turned their fortunes around, so a change
in PU shouldn't pose too much of a problem if it's for 2020. A mid season swap
might be more problematic but the changes the team has made should
see them through it.

If Merc pull out of F1, what makes you so sure they'll keep up the investment in the PU?

[Emag]

It's still a rumor up to this point, nothing official yet, but if it turns out true, I believe it is a good thing for McLaren. Mercedes is a better engine, despite Renault's improvements. Mercedes also has a bigger budget than Renault, and for as long as they challenge for titles they will keep improving that power unit. Yes, redesigning the chassis to fit the Merc PU will not be an easy task, but there are capable people working for the team. RedBull are pretty much as fast as they were last year if not quicker despite changing engines. We also should not forget that James Key designed the Toro Rosso cars for three years during 2016-2018, each with a different PU, and those cars were relatively competitive in the early part of those seasons before STR ultimately fell off during the development war. So if the team works hard, they will have a great opportunity in hand for 2021. And even if they get something wrong for 2021, I think the Mercedes PU is worth the risk for 2022.

[RonDennis]

James Allen, during the winter test of 2017, he said McLaren wanted a works level deal, which simply means they pay for it. Zak Brown also said that ONLY Renault gave them all that they asked for, which clearly means there’s more to it.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... 1/1390232/

It's your interpretation. Mercedes said that they couldn't supply a fourth team, which meant that Renault was their only option. The article you linked even states that Renault is "open to their suggestion", not that they will have any influence on the design based on the contract.

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/2188 ... es-mclaren

I think you’re not starting from the beginning. McLaren started making moves to ditch Honda during Barcelona pre season tests of 2017. They were trying to see if they would get the Mercedes deal, then change engines a couple of months into the season, the rules allow it, by the way. Supply would not have been an issue because Mercedes had already made provisions for Manor, who had hoped to be on the grid, up until early 2017 they were trying to be rescued. But they stuck with Honda and the question of a 4th team arose for 2018 when McLaren were looking for the 2018 switch.
James Allen had reported that Mansour Ojjeh was relying on the good relationship he had over the years with the Mercedes boss to secure the Manor allocation for 2017, but the works status request made it a non starter. Of course that was not the official reason given, as you can imagine. There were articles on it, like below

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/39290908

You're constantly talking about a works status, but you haven't shown one source for that story. There are no differences between the engines and modes these days, so what would be the advantage of that so called "works status".

[RonDennis]

it entirely depends on the agreement. If it were like the last time they were customers, then it's a terrible idea. Not willing to take EJ word for it anyways, so far it has zero credibility

A customer engine deal is the best McLaren can hope for until the engine regulations
change and they can attract a manufacturer to partner with them in a works deal.
I'd definitely swap the Renault PU for a Mercedes PU if the option is there.
As for EJ ? He's got a few stories right in the past, but we'll see.

If you don't get the chassis design correct then you'll be in heaps of
trouble no matter if you've got the best or worst engine on the grid in
the back of the car. McLaren have turned their fortunes around, so a change
in PU shouldn't pose too much of a problem if it's for 2020. A mid season swap
might be more problematic but the changes the team has made should
see them through it.

If Merc pull out of F1, what makes you so sure they'll keep up the investment in the PU?

If Renault pull out of F1, what makes you so sure they'll keep up the investment in the PU?