2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:09 pm

Capharol wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:31 pm
RonDennis wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:12 pm
Even if Honda has the best engine in the world it's still a decision that had to be made. If they hadn't switched, they would still play the blame game instead of getting on top of their own problems.
boah honestly .... cut this comparison crap ... forgett about it and move on .... like all participants did.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by SmallSoldier » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:19 pm

Ground Effect wrote:Below report says spec C estimated to be gains of 10 to 15 horses. Strangely, they put the statement in quotes, without actually quoting anyone.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/renault-s ... lk_of_town
The actual comment by Taffin was that the jump was the same as from Spec A to Spec B (and the different sites are interpreting that one as 10-15 hp).


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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Capharol » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:22 pm

M840TR wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:09 pm
Capharol wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:31 pm
RonDennis wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:12 pm
Even if Honda has the best engine in the world it's still a decision that had to be made. If they hadn't switched, they would still play the blame game instead of getting on top of their own problems.
boah honestly .... cut this comparison crap ... forgett about it and move on .... like all participants did.

I am in this topic because i like to see updates about McLaren F1 Team
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:39 pm

SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:19 pm
Ground Effect wrote:Below report says spec C estimated to be gains of 10 to 15 horses. Strangely, they put the statement in quotes, without actually quoting anyone.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/renault-s ... lk_of_town
The actual comment by Taffin was that the jump was the same as from Spec A to Spec B (and the different sites are interpreting that one as 10-15 hp).


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Correct, I saw that as well. A couple of days ago, articles were saying it’s a 10hp gain, now this report is saying 10-15hp. I had mentioned that in an AMuS article, which came out when Spec B was introduced, Hulk said the Spec B was worth around 0.2secs gain in lap time. If that figure of 0.2secs is dependant on the circuit, the Spec B was first used by Ricciardo at Paul Ricard.
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by SmallSoldier » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:36 pm

Ground Effect wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:19 pm
Ground Effect wrote:Below report says spec C estimated to be gains of 10 to 15 horses. Strangely, they put the statement in quotes, without actually quoting anyone.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/renault-s ... lk_of_town
The actual comment by Taffin was that the jump was the same as from Spec A to Spec B (and the different sites are interpreting that one as 10-15 hp).


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Correct, I saw that as well. A couple of days ago, articles were saying it’s a 10hp gain, now this report is saying 10-15hp. I had mentioned that in an AMuS article, which came out when Spec B was introduced, Hulk said the Spec B was worth around 0.2secs gain in lap time. If that figure of 0.2secs is dependant on the circuit, the Spec B was first used by Ricciardo at Paul Ricard.
I guess that FP2 will let them know if they should take in Spa or Monza... If the car seems to be performing well after FP2 in Spa, the team might as well take the penalties there and avoid them in Monza.


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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:50 pm

SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:36 pm
Ground Effect wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:19 pm


The actual comment by Taffin was that the jump was the same as from Spec A to Spec B (and the different sites are interpreting that one as 10-15 hp).


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Correct, I saw that as well. A couple of days ago, articles were saying it’s a 10hp gain, now this report is saying 10-15hp. I had mentioned that in an AMuS article, which came out when Spec B was introduced, Hulk said the Spec B was worth around 0.2secs gain in lap time. If that figure of 0.2secs is dependant on the circuit, the Spec B was first used by Ricciardo at Paul Ricard.
I guess that FP2 will let them know if they should take in Spa or Monza... If the car seems to be performing well after FP2 in Spa, the team might as well take the penalties there and avoid them in Monza.

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I think they might split. Carlos in Monza and Lando Sochi.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by SmallSoldier » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:51 pm

M840TR wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:36 pm
Ground Effect wrote: Correct, I saw that as well. A couple of days ago, articles were saying it’s a 10hp gain, now this report is saying 10-15hp. I had mentioned that in an AMuS article, which came out when Spec B was introduced, Hulk said the Spec B was worth around 0.2secs gain in lap time. If that figure of 0.2secs is dependant on the circuit, the Spec B was first used by Ricciardo at Paul Ricard.
I guess that FP2 will let them know if they should take in Spa or Monza... If the car seems to be performing well after FP2 in Spa, the team might as well take the penalties there and avoid them in Monza.

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I think they might split. Carlos in Monza and Lando Sochi.
Delay it until Sochi? That’s an option that didn’t cross my mind... Could be a good idea


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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by 604gtir » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:08 pm

Jolle wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:33 pm
Losing works status and 100 mln in additional sponsorship vs a customer PU where you have to pay for is the best deal indeed...

McLaren downgraded herself from a top team to a midfielder. Not just with the PU but also with the drivers. That they are now leading the midfield is good, no question about it. But there is no way they will be able to make the jump back to the front any time soon. They should of been where redbull is now.
my only hope is 2021 rectifies some of the advantages of works status

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:57 am

SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:51 pm
M840TR wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:36 pm


I guess that FP2 will let them know if they should take in Spa or Monza... If the car seems to be performing well after FP2 in Spa, the team might as well take the penalties there and avoid them in Monza.

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I think they might split. Carlos in Monza and Lando Sochi.
Delay it until Sochi? That’s an option that didn’t cross my mind... Could be a good idea


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Lando got his new engine in Silverstone so it's only 3 races old. They could even use the Spec C for Spa/Monza then revert to Spec B in Singapore/Brazil; which they probably will.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by _cerber1 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:36 am

I think that the most obvious place for the emergence of new aero components will be Spa. Because the following two tracks are very specific in this regard. Is there any news on this?

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Ground Effect » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:10 am

_cerber1 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:36 am
I think that the most obvious place for the emergence of new aero components will be Spa. Because the following two tracks are very specific in this regard. Is there any news on this?
Getting news about McLaren chassis updates these days is like trying to squeeze water from a stone :D
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Espresso » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:15 am

History keeps coming back in this thread... :shock:

Short recap:
McLaren & Honda broke up. How or what doesn't matter. But it is (in competitive view) very beneficial for both parties.

Renault is Renault. They keep up with the engine development. But do not gain anything to catch up to the front runners.
And al the 'Engine news' is always PR/Diplomatic talk without 'hard promises'.

Before mentioned is just how it is. No sense to keep dragging on to that subject I think.
Time to close this chapter folks. It's for the history books.


:arrow: Lets go on forward to the future as McLaren do! =D>

Nothing to do with down-grading or bad choices. Given the circumstances it was the best choice. Proven by the fact they are 'harvesting sponsors' as we speak.
And sponsors only come/pay when they see something profitable.

McLaren did a great turn-around and are moving swiftly into the right development path (with their chassis). I'm sure they've got something great for 2020 in the pipeline.

You have to agree that (currently) in comparison to Renault there chassis is much better and thus must be counted as one of the best.

Off course there are still gains to be made. But one day they will make the calculated risk (like RB) to use the PU over the designated limits to 'harvest podium positions'.
They might burn some power units in the process, but that's a calculated risk

And (allow me to dream) a Rochade with Williams and switching engine partners would be very promising....
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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by M840TR » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:20 pm

_cerber1 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:36 am
I think that the most obvious place for the emergence of new aero components will be Spa. Because the following two tracks are very specific in this regard. Is there any news on this?
Monza is also unlikely because they've adopted an incremental upgrade strategy this year featuring small parts being introduced with intervals of stringent testing. Going by this pattern then, the hypothetical Spa upgrades will only be further tested till new ones come several weeks later.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by Emag » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:00 pm

Considering the second half of the season has less races than the first half. I would think that they will bring updates for the first couple of races. And if they continue their strong form and keep extending their lead over fifth place, then I think by the fifth race of the second half, which I believe it is Russia, they will switch full focus to 2020, because by that point there will only be 4 races left in the season. I doubt any other midfield team can realistically close a gap of 50+ points in that time margin.

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Re: 2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

Post by proteus » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:05 pm

Emag wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:00 pm
Considering the second half of the season has less races than the first half. I would think that they will bring updates for the first couple of races. And if they continue their strong form and keep extending their lead over fifth place, then I think by the fifth race of the second half, which I believe it is Russia, they will switch full focus to 2020, because by that point there will only be 4 races left in the season. I doubt any other midfield team can realistically close a gap of 50+ points in that time margin.
Another Germany repeat and maybe with even more top contenders out and followers can reduce that gap right away. We also need to take under consideration that Renault engine and Mclaren hydraulics/gearbox are on the fragile side, so retirements and grid penalties are about to hit them.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows