2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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My only worry is if the spec3 can make it for a 6th race in such a power heavy track.

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aran.vtec wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 10:23
Might be a good idea to take 2x spec 4 units for each driver on the RB team if possible, Use 1 unit on Friday and the 2nd unit on Saturday and race , Then spec 1&2 would be removed from the pool leaving them with spec 3 and 2x spec 4.

That way the 2nd spec 4 unit would be perfectly mapped and fresh for Japan. Only issue would be if spec 4 has problems
Stockpiling is not possible any more. In your case only the Saturday-PU stays in the pool.

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mclaren113 wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 08:58
Wouter wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 08:40
If Max starts using a new engine in Spa, the engine has already driven too many kilometers in Japan
and Honda wants to win there.
It's not as simple as that..when you use 5 engines per year and your main competitors use 3 then you're still far behind
There isn't enough logic/context in your statement.

If Redbull/Honda end up using 5 engines and winning the drivers championship but Mercedes come 2nd with 3 engines - Who won there?

Maybe the math dictates that it is still faster through the year on average to run an engine harder and take penalties than run conservative and stick to 3. After all the 3 engine rule limit is there to give penalties if you go over 3 - that isn't the same statement as "But 5 engines are still faster"

I really think the development path they have taken seems to be converging perfectly.

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First day after the holidays now at the RB factory.

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The happiness of Albon and his smile easily compete with Daniel R smiling.

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Just ignore that type of posts. Just like he said, it's not that simple. If you use 5 PU a year due reliability issues, yes, you're far behind. But if you're using 5 PU to increase the development speed of the engine, to build a serious challenge for both championships in 2020. Then it's different. As we all have seen since Austria, Honda finally unleashed serious power to be able to fight at the top.

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Wouter wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 17:34
Have you ever wondered why a huge McLaren fan always responds to the RBR topic?
You must have read that he has always and over and over again criticized the Honda engine ?!
Why? To provoke?
I don't understand why someone need to feel provoked, if it is not a personal remark on oneself. How does criticizing a team or driver become provocative to members of this site? I don't understand that behavior.
Wouter wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 17:34
Don't you turn things around a bit?
I have read messages from you more often in different topics, where I thought you were the owner/moderator of the entire forum here, because you behaved that way. Strange.
Feel free to report any such posts to mods, whether it is from me OR from anyone else. There is a simple button to click, add comments and report.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 17:41
Just ignore that type of posts. Just like he said, it's not that simple. If you use 5 PU a year due reliability issues, yes, you're far behind. But if you're using 5 PU to increase the development speed of the engine, to build a serious challenge for both championships in 2020. Then it's different. As we all have seen since Austria, Honda finally unleashed serious power to be able to fight at the top.
Yeah
RBR has been transparent with the philosophy before the season started. So it should not be a surprise.

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lio007 wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 11:45
aran.vtec wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 10:23
Might be a good idea to take 2x spec 4 units for each driver on the RB team if possible, Use 1 unit on Friday and the 2nd unit on Saturday and race , Then spec 1&2 would be removed from the pool leaving them with spec 3 and 2x spec 4.

That way the 2nd spec 4 unit would be perfectly mapped and fresh for Japan. Only issue would be if spec 4 has problems
Stockpiling is not possible any more. In your case only the Saturday-PU stays in the pool.
Both STR's should take a new PU, they battle to get into the points anyway. Albon should also take a new PU, he will still need to get up to speed so it won't make much difference to him. Will perhaps somewhat take pressure off him, at the same time he can show his ability to move up the grid.
As we have seen in the past it takes more than one GP to reach the full potential of the PU, so it's best they take a new PU now.

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Since RB is using spec 1 (and/or 2) on fridays they can avoid a penalty for a 5th engine by using both spec 3 and spec 4 for 1 extra weekend as ttl milage on them is low.

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Alexf1 wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 19:34
Since RB is using spec 1 (and/or 2) on fridays they can avoid a penalty for a 5th engine by using both spec 3 and spec 4 for 1 extra weekend as ttl milage on them is low.
The Spec 2 should be at the limit of km right now

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 20:53
Alexf1 wrote:
26 Aug 2019, 19:34
Since RB is using spec 1 (and/or 2) on fridays they can avoid a penalty for a 5th engine by using both spec 3 and spec 4 for 1 extra weekend as ttl milage on them is low.
The Spec 2 should be at the limit of km right now
If spec 1 wasnt used any more when spec 2 was introduced yes.
But do we know if or how long they used spec 1 on fridays? I remember Horner once said both spec1 and 2 were fine and were usable. Dunno if they actually used spec1 on fridays as of spec 2 and 3.

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Once again a thread has descended into a slanging match between certain posters. This involves a lot of off-topic comments and abuse. Please have a look at the title of the thread and post on that particular topic. Comments about Honda v Renault, down voting etc have been removed. Voting numbers get you no prize, so if a person up votes or down votes you, ignore it, it means zilch ! Of course, you can upvote this comment!

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aral wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 14:40
Of course, you can upvote this comment!
Unfortunately I can’t. :wink:

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Isn't there any news about Engine upgrade for spa?