2019 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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izzy
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sosic2121 wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 21:55
It's another stupid and dangerous presedan, especially since they could give Perez 5s and he would still keep his 6th place.
Yes tho putting another driver on the grass at 300kph should be a 10s S&G, at least imo. But it's as if the more dangerous the move is, the more they wimp out, as long as everyone got lucky that time

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iotar__
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Verstappen:
- it's not an aggressive style nor choice, he's simply not good enough for any quality moves
- plus he gets away with it with a tiny help from obliging FIA.

sosic2121
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izzy wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 22:07
sosic2121 wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 21:55
It's another stupid and dangerous presedan, especially since they could give Perez 5s and he would still keep his 6th place.
Yes tho putting another driver on the grass at 300kph should be a 10s S&G, at least imo. But it's as if the more dangerous the move is, the more they wimp out, as long as everyone got lucky that time
Although, I see how they believed perez he hasn't seen Albon.
Same thing happened to him with Ocon couple of times last year 8)

izzy
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sosic2121 wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 22:26

Although, I see how they believed perez he hasn't seen Albon.
Same thing happened to him with Ocon couple of times last year 8)
yes apparently our race stewards believed Checo moved right because he had NOT seen Alex :lol:

and yes he has form hasn't he.

zeph
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Moore77 wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 18:22
zeph wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 18:00
Good RBR debut from Albon, but all four wheels left the track when he overtook Perez, so he should have had to give that place back.
At what point did he leave track with all four wheels?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNRndLVyDSw

My bad, it wasn’t that fight. It was an earlier overtake, I don’t remember on whom.

maxxer
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Hopefully the FIA will quickly improve the the rules on the side impact structures

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DarkSurferZA wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 15:48
Jolle wrote:If you're starting from the outside, and not having the best of starts, you can't just steer into the apex on la source with 15 cars behind you at the start.... this is the second time Raikkonen made this mistake.
You're making that up right? You're not seriously suggesting that it was ok for Max to come up from behind (not alongside) and to have Kimi leave space so cars can fit through.

Maybe you posted before you watched the replay

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ENGINE TUNER
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Phil wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 17:19
If Vettel doesnt win Monza... so what? He’ll just learn, improve and become a better driver for it. I dont get all this pressure talk. Leclerc is good. No shame in being beaten.
Vettel hasn't gotten better since 2010, if anything he's regressed.

Nickel
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zeph wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 22:52
Moore77 wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 18:22
zeph wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 18:00
Good RBR debut from Albon, but all four wheels left the track when he overtook Perez, so he should have had to give that place back.
At what point did he leave track with all four wheels?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNRndLVyDSw

My bad, it wasn’t that fight. It was an earlier overtake, I don’t remember on whom.
That was vs Ricciardo.

drunkf1fan
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loner wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 18:14
littlebigcat wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 18:08
zeph wrote:
01 Sep 2019, 18:00
Good RBR debut from Albon, but all four wheels left the track when he overtook Perez, so he should have had to give that place back.
Incorrect. Albon was making a passing move and Perez moved over and didn't leave a cars space for Albon to go through. He went off the track because of Perez while he was passing, not passing by going off the track.

Thats the difference and why Perez is under investigation not Albon
can't see 4 wheels off...
https://twitter.com/FiftyBucksss/status ... 63335?s=19

Seriously how often do people just not know the rules in F1. When it comes to 'pushing someone off track', if it's an overtake on a straight the rule is that if someone is alongside you leave a full cars width. In that situation four wheels means nothing, anything less than a full car width is breaking the rules.

A driver on his own must keep two tires within the white lines to remain in the track limits but you've pushed someone off the track in that situation if they aren't given space to remain all four tires within the track limits.

roon
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Was Kimi-Ver lap 1 a racing incident? Neither seemed particularly agressive. Both had a line and didn't budge. I didn't hear of any race stewards actions.

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drunkf1fan wrote:
02 Sep 2019, 02:30
Seriously how often do people just not know the rules in F1.

A driver on his own must keep two tires within the white lines to remain in the track limits
You are incorrect, only 1 wheel on the line is required to be considered "on track"

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roon wrote:
02 Sep 2019, 03:49
Was Kimi-Ver lap 1 a racing incident? Neither seemed particularly agressive. Both had a line and didn't budge. I didn't hear of any race stewards actions.
Clearly verstappen's fault, but as usual the stewards are too lenient, which will lead to these collisions happening over and over again. RAI couldn't see VER, but VER could clearly see that RAI was not taking a wide racing line thru le source. The stewards were probably lenient because VER'S race was ended, but probably wouldn't have penalized him even if it didn't, even though he destroyed Kimi's race.

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ENGINE TUNER wrote:
02 Sep 2019, 04:07
roon wrote:
02 Sep 2019, 03:49
Was Kimi-Ver lap 1 a racing incident? Neither seemed particularly agressive. Both had a line and didn't budge. I didn't hear of any race stewards actions.
Clearly verstappen's fault, but as usual the stewards are too lenient, which will lead to these collisions happening over and over again. RAI couldn't see VER, but VER could clearly see that RAI was not taking a wide racing line thru le source. The stewards were probably lenient because VER'S race was ended, but probably wouldn't have penalized him even if it didn't, even though he destroyed Kimi's race.
Kimi would have been 5th. So sad. There should be a penalty for Vest.

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