General Honda F1 Topic

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Marti_EF3 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:29 am

Bill wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:20 am
If you are in a battlefield and you got a new shine weapon that could give advantage over you enemies you use immediately your doesn't wait for ideal time because it won't matter if you are six feet under.the thing about racing is that you never know how things will play out all RbrHonda master plans about how the gonna juggle use engines in the poll fell flat ones Max binned it on first lap now they look like idiots they start at the back in monza 2 races ruined
Also, if you start on the back, there is more chance of an accident causing damage on the PU, and then you've to take penalties again. Better to try it with STR, and for RBR only taking the PU to the pool. And then use it at full at Monza without penalties. Anyway, it was the first race of Albon with the RB15 . Giving him an older less powerful engine, it's a way to test what he can do. And hell, he did awesome good.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Capharol » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:38 am

Marti_EF3 wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:29 am
Bill wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:20 am
If you are in a battlefield and you got a new shine weapon that could give advantage over you enemies you use immediately your doesn't wait for ideal time because it won't matter if you are six feet under.the thing about racing is that you never know how things will play out all RbrHonda master plans about how the gonna juggle use engines in the poll fell flat ones Max binned it on first lap now they look like idiots they start at the back in monza 2 races ruined
Also, if you start on the back, there is more chance of an accident causing damage on the PU, and then you've to take penalties again. Better to try it with STR, and for RBR only taking the PU to the pool. And then use it at full at Monza without penalties. Anyway, it was the first race of Albon with the RB15 . Giving him an older less powerful engine, it's a way to test what he can do. And hell, he did awesome good.
the point is they took a penalty with Albon but not using the engine where he got that penalty for, and this has absolutly nothing to do with new shiny engine in Japan, because if you wanted to handle it like that you take the penalty in a previous race (sochi in this case) .... i know the track layout plays a role but i just wanna say this "shiny new engine excuse" is bogus, in Albons case .....
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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Espresso » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:32 pm

Bill wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:20 am
If you are in a battlefield and you got a new shine weapon that could give advantage over you enemies you use immediately your doesn't wait for ideal time because it won't matter if you are six feet under.the thing about racing is that you never know how things will play out all RbrHonda master plans about how the gonna juggle use engines in the poll fell flat ones Max binned it on first lap now they look like idiots they start at the back in monza 2 races ruined
That battlefield is : Suzuka Japan.

They are still finetuning the spec4 Engine (or final testing that shining new weapon in your analogy).
Preparing everything for that event even including a "Suzuka Special" cocktail from ExxonMobil.

Give them time, so far so good Honda's & RBR strategy and tactics have worked out fine so far.
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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by loner » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:39 pm

until it rains cats and dogs in Suzuka :lol:
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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Capharol » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:42 pm

We shouldn't forgett..... this year is a transition year, everything they achieve/achieved this year can only be placed under "top-performance"
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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Bill » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:13 pm

They was a slim chance Max could win the driver s championship all he needed to do was beat Lewis in spa . If he does that constantly theoretically for all races he could win it with a bit of luck and reliability issues from merc which plausible but with that retirement and lack aggression from Rbr Honda it will be extremely difficult.Max is incredibly fast I genuinely believed he could do it. They should have let him start at back and have faith Max will take care of the rest Austria and last year Russia showed what he is capable off

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Big Tea » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:41 pm

Espresso wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:32 pm
Bill wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:20 am
If you are in a battlefield and you got a new shine weapon that could give advantage over you enemies you use immediately your doesn't wait for ideal time because it won't matter if you are six feet under.the thing about racing is that you never know how things will play out all RbrHonda master plans about how the gonna juggle use engines in the poll fell flat ones Max binned it on first lap now they look like idiots they start at the back in monza 2 races ruined
That battlefield is : Suzuka Japan.

They are still finetuning the spec4 Engine (or final testing that shining new weapon in your analogy).
Preparing everything for that event even including a "Suzuka Special" cocktail from ExxonMobil.

Give them time, so far so good Honda's & RBR strategy and tactics have worked out fine so far.
Don't show them you have a gun at all when a dagger will do the job, then they will be unprepared next time
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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by GhostF1 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:25 am

Big Tea wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:41 pm
Espresso wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:32 pm
Bill wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:20 am
If you are in a battlefield and you got a new shine weapon that could give advantage over you enemies you use immediately your doesn't wait for ideal time because it won't matter if you are six feet under.the thing about racing is that you never know how things will play out all RbrHonda master plans about how the gonna juggle use engines in the poll fell flat ones Max binned it on first lap now they look like idiots they start at the back in monza 2 races ruined
That battlefield is : Suzuka Japan.

They are still finetuning the spec4 Engine (or final testing that shining new weapon in your analogy).
Preparing everything for that event even including a "Suzuka Special" cocktail from ExxonMobil.

Give them time, so far so good Honda's & RBR strategy and tactics have worked out fine so far.
Don't show them you have a gun at all when a dagger will do the job, then they will be unprepared next time
I kind of think this what they are doing. Max is playing down any sort of performance for Monza, actually saying it will be a struggle. Mercedes is saying the same. Not suggesting they'll be the fastest, but I suspect stronger than they are implying.. they haven't been significantly down on power for the last 5 or 6 races and now with an introduction of a shiny new engine that is supposedly the biggest step forward for the year, they are talking like they are completely and utterly screwed. I sort of don't buy it... I think definitely down on Ferrari's speed but not much more than that, gut feeling they'll level peg with Merc. We'll have to wait and see and race pace will be interesting to see.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Wouter » Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:48 pm

Honda Racing. We sat down with Christian ahead of the Belgian GP, however after the events of the weekend
our thoughts immediately turned to Anthoine, his friends and family.
Please enjoy this catch up now, as we head to Italy.
https://en.hondaracingf1.com/insights/C ... stian.html


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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Wouter » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:53 pm

Monza FP2 with the new engines for Gasly and Max. Kvyat and Albon I don't know. Spec 3 on Friday?


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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Alexf1 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:42 pm

As long as Honda top management hasnt given the go ahead for 2021 onwards I presume maximum focus is on keeping spec 4 as fresh as possible for Suzuka. My guess is we will see spec3 return for at least 1 race before Suzuka

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Bill » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:07 pm

The way I see it Honda want to stay in f1 but just waiting for new regulations

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Marti_EF3 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:56 pm

A win at Suzuka would help anyway. Take a PU on Sochi and run full power till the end. Doesn't matter if the PU only lasts 1 or 2 GP. Winning at Suzuka is best than that. Same for STR. All 4 Honda powered cars, for a glory race PU at Japan. :lol:

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Sieper » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:03 pm

Bill wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:07 pm
The way I see it Honda want to stay in f1 but just waiting for new regulations
And they also want Some influence in the decision making, in 2014 it went the Mercedes way. So FIA cannot just listen to one team, they need to convince others it is worthwhile as well.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by ispano6 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:23 am

A noticeable difference for Max on Spec4.
“Around Monza, the real lap time is hard to see because of the tow but my fastest lap was done on my own and it felt good. I definitely think this new engine is a good step forward and you can feel the extra power which is positive.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/928596/1/ ... ep-forward