2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

[Just_a_fan]

Dude, choosing tyre compoud or fuel level is ok - it is a part of strategy. What I'm trying to say is that VSC, or even SC situation is like "if you are accidentally on the good position on track - you will win, if no - not". I don't like the fact that from time to time somebody can win only beacuse he was near pit wall when some 'grosjeanish' driver did a sh*t...

What about when it rains and the drivers need wets? Should a driver that is near the pit entry wait for everyone else so that he doesn't benefit from getting on the right tyre first?

Seriously - this is life. It's a lottery and sometimes the chips fall your way, sometimes not.

[dans79]

Don't be ridiculous. They got past midfield cars after being stuck behind them from several laps!

using the midfield cars is also a very dubious argument, because everybody knows the closer you get to the front of the grid the harder it is to pass.

they're supposed to take several laps not sail by instantly! and yes it's supposed to get harder progressively. It's for position, and once all the faster cars are past all the slower cars they're in SPEED ORDER that is the result and the race is over! You don't want it all to happen in one lap. i don't know, perhaps you need one of the boys to explain it

For the WDC reverse top 10 Sprint race, exactly how many laps do you think it will take for the leading cars to actually get to where they belong or in other words not be compromised by the artificial drama for the sake of the lowbrow fans.

[Shrieker]

I say ban pitting under vsc. Then again, it removes a tactical element from the race. On the other hand, remaining as it is, it is very unfair for racing, and the outcome decided by a vsc/sc is never good. On another note, it would be unfair to someone about to pit, but still.

So a driver gets a puncture in the incident and he has to go around and around the track dropping rubber and carbon fibre everywhere because he can’t enter the pits?

When's the last time you've seen that ? Surely there can be an exception for that.

[Unf]

What about when it rains and the drivers need wets? Should a driver that is near the pit entry wait for everyone else so that he doesn't benefit from getting on the right tyre first?

No. I don't talk about weather / puncture / hitting lizards etc. I'm talking only about that to not allow anyone to do simple tyre changing due VSC or even SC cause it's totally lottery like you said - if someone will be luckily just on the pit wall enter then he has tremendous benefit - totally accidentally.

[izzy]

For the WDC reverse top 10 Sprint race, exactly how many laps do you think it will take for the leading cars to actually get to where they belong or in other words not be compromised by the artificial drama for the sake of the lowbrow fans.

OMG Ross and the F1 teams haven't realised, not being as highbrow as you sadly

but let me have one more go: it might take Charles more laps than Max, for example, or Seb more than Lewis, kinda thing

[maxxer]

A VSC is what it is. Your team gets the shaft today, they benefit tomorrow.

And that is why tyre changing should be not allowed during VSC. It is gamble, not racing.

lol so you can go in for a new nose but you have to leave with 4 empty tires ?
haha

[Jolle]

Ferrari didn't loose the race because of the VSC, they lost because they were busy swapping drivers around by compromising the strategy of both drivers. Mercedes had a (risky) strategy to win the race,

They will need a better plan for 2020 if they want to challenge Hamilton.

[dans79]

For the WDC reverse top 10 Sprint race, exactly how many laps do you think it will take for the leading cars to actually get to where they belong or in other words not be compromised by the artificial drama for the sake of the lowbrow fans.

OMG Ross and the F1 teams haven't realised, not being as highbrow as you sadly

but let me have one more go: it might take Charles more laps than Max, for example, or Seb more than Lewis, kinda thing

Nevermind, it's obvious the questions beyond you!

[Just_a_fan]

What about when it rains and the drivers need wets? Should a driver that is near the pit entry wait for everyone else so that he doesn't benefit from getting on the right tyre first?

No. I don't talk about weather / puncture / hitting lizards etc. I'm talking only about that to not allow anyone to do simple tyre changing due VSC or even SC cause it's totally lottery like you said - if someone will be luckily just on the pit wall enter then he has tremendous benefit - totally accidentally.

Weather, a puncture, hitting lizards etc are all accidental and a total lottery. The SC / VSC is exactly the same. Sometimes a driver is lucky, sometimes unlucky, but it's the same for all of them so it's not "unfair".

[izzy]

Why did the F1 twitter account delete this?

https://i.imgur.com/k54m3D9.jpg

lol it's a bit weird tho isn't it? Why is he kissing a mirror? But most races led ever

[Just_a_fan]

Why did the F1 twitter account delete this?

https://i.imgur.com/k54m3D9.jpg

lol it's a bit weird tho isn't it? Why is he kissing a mirror? But most races led ever

It's a silver trophy.

[Just_a_fan]

You can tell it's a boring race with nothing other than some intra-team arguments, when people spend several pages arguing about whether a random rule is fair and/or should be changed.

Perhaps it's the track that should be changed rather than the rules...

[maxxer]

funny this whole discussion about the vsc and sc was actually cause by a ferrari itself, maybe ferrari should have got VET not to cause it.
Oh but ofcourse VET is first he cant go into next race with a penalty! that team will need to really think who they back next season because VET isnt delivering

[izzy]

Why did the F1 twitter account delete this?

https://i.imgur.com/k54m3D9.jpg

lol it's a bit weird tho isn't it? Why is he kissing a mirror? But most races led ever

It's a silver trophy.

oh yes! lol, obvious now you say Perhaps they deleted it because it looks too like a mirror

[Restomaniac]

I say ban pitting under vsc. Then again, it removes a tactical element from the race. On the other hand, remaining as it is, it is very unfair for racing, and the outcome decided by a vsc/sc is never good. On another note, it would be unfair to someone about to pit, but still.

So a driver gets a puncture in the incident and he has to go around and around the track dropping rubber and carbon fibre everywhere because he can’t enter the pits?

When's the last time you've seen that ? Surely there can be an exception for that.

Drivers get punctures from collisions all the time. What about if a driver loses a front wing?

Also I like that you think it’s ok to stop 1 thing that you think is unfair in this race situation (pitting under the VSC) even thought it could directly cause another (stopping drivers doing their scheduled stop) with a lovely easy line of ‘but still’. How about everyone just stops bitching because something effects their team/driver when they seemed to be mute when it favoured them.