2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by lh13 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:16 am

Andres125sx wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:13 am
lh13 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:39 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:03 am
Doesn't really matter now does it.
fact remains Vettel was asked by his team to do something he didn't.
All drivers disobey team orders once in a while, unless they are clear number two. I don't know why you are trying to make a big deal out of it, especially considering that you are not a Ferrari fan, so you shouldn't care.
So only Ferrari fans can express their opinions about Ferrari drivers? Sorry mate, but nope

Many drivers disobey TOs, true, but all of them get severe beating for it, nothing weird here, only that this time you care more than usually because it´s Vettel
Like? I don't remember any who got severe beating for disobeying a TO, and if anyone did, that does not make it `all`.

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by komninosm » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:56 pm

Tension at Ferrari, Lap 1 Chaos and More! Jolyon Palmer On The 2019 Russian Grand Prix
https://youtu.be/74dlXoZEL9Y?t=647
Where's the black and white flag for Magnusen?
I'd just like to add a comment from that video that says it all really:

>>>
Lamster661 day ago (edited)

Palmer hits the nail on the head again.
There is again inconsistancy in awarding penalties.
The Black and White flag shown to Leclerc was a jokeRunningHamiltion out of road at 180mph was both deliberate and Dangerous.Its not racing its called being a c**t!
And about the level of driving you'd expect at a turn up and drive kart track.

Only Hamilton's reading of that situation avoided what could have been a nasty accident.
The rules state that leaving the road and gaining an avantage earns you a penaly.
Losing both a time and places doesn't equate to a net gain.
The stewards also need to analyze if the action had any safety implications.
Not merely that they previously decided that for potential safety reasons you go round a couple of bollards. The question here is was there other cars close on track other than Perez. and did KMags excursion put those drivers at risk..
There appeared to be no other cars close by on track and Perez was long gone so other than going the wrong side of a bollard put there to cause a loss in time and make rejoining more predictable what problem did it actually cause.Monza We were told that Leclerc escaped a penalty because there was no collision where as Both Vettel and Stroll's actions caused collisions.
So if thats the case then if the rule is being breached in a situation other than it was implemented to manage then it should result in a black and white flag.
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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by czubak » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:13 pm

NL_Fer wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:54 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:03 am
Doesn't really matter now does it.
fact remains Vettel was asked by his team to do something he didn't.
I suspect half of the grid would act the same.
I don’t see where half of the grid are carried to the first win of the season by betraying their better driver with the gifted preferred strategy to the one spinning in the midfield and “forgetting” to inform pole winner that the person with hefty contract has been pitted.

I've seen only one person on the grid singing to the media that "no-one is bigger than Ferrari".

Neither do I see Hamilton winning driver of the day by saying a popular nostalgic fans’ quote after spinning or destroying the engine in an attempt to prove that “he would have gotten past him anyway”.

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by czubak » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:44 pm

lh13 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:39 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:03 am
Doesn't really matter now does it.
fact remains Vettel was asked by his team to do something he didn't.
All drivers disobey team orders once in a while, unless they are clear number two. I don't know why you are trying to make a big deal out of it, especially considering that you are not a Ferrari fan, so you shouldn't care.
"You're not a Ferrari fan, so you shouldn't care".

Seems like the only argument vettel fans can make in favour of him after 3 years of mediocrity and politics.

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by NathanOlder » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:40 pm

:lol:
GoLandoGo
Lewis v2.0

Does anyone play F1 2019 on Ps4, Now setting up a league at

https://rapidpixelracing.com

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by Andres125sx » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:34 am

lh13 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:16 am
Andres125sx wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:13 am
lh13 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:39 am


All drivers disobey team orders once in a while, unless they are clear number two. I don't know why you are trying to make a big deal out of it, especially considering that you are not a Ferrari fan, so you shouldn't care.
So only Ferrari fans can express their opinions about Ferrari drivers? Sorry mate, but nope

Many drivers disobey TOs, true, but all of them get severe beating for it, nothing weird here, only that this time you care more than usually because it´s Vettel
Like? I don't remember any who got severe beating for disobeying a TO, and if anyone did, that does not make it `all`.
Then I´m afraid your memory is too weak or unconsciously selective :roll:

Max Verstappen
Esteban Ocon
Sergio Perez
Lewis Hamilton
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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by lh13 » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:36 am

czubak wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:44 pm
lh13 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:39 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:03 am
Doesn't really matter now does it.
fact remains Vettel was asked by his team to do something he didn't.
All drivers disobey team orders once in a while, unless they are clear number two. I don't know why you are trying to make a big deal out of it, especially considering that you are not a Ferrari fan, so you shouldn't care.
"You're not a Ferrari fan, so you shouldn't care".

Seems like the only argument Vettel fans can make in favour of him after 3 years of mediocrity and politics.
That's not in Vettel's favour at all, but in favour of Hamilton fans, since it does show that event when Hamilton is en-route to be a 6 time WC, some of his fans still have to bash Vettel 24/7 to feel good. Still salty from 2010-2013 I guess. Poor chaps.

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by lh13 » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:37 am

Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:34 am
lh13 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:16 am
Andres125sx wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:13 am


So only Ferrari fans can express their opinions about Ferrari drivers? Sorry mate, but nope

Many drivers disobey TOs, true, but all of them get severe beating for it, nothing weird here, only that this time you care more than usually because it´s Vettel
Like? I don't remember any who got severe beating for disobeying a TO, and if anyone did, that does not make it `all`.
Then I´m afraid your memory is too weak or unconsciously selective :roll:

Max Verstappen
Esteban Ocon
Sergio Perez
Lewis Hamilton

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What happened to these four drivers? Was anyone benched? Fired? Publicly humiliated? I would like to know your interpretation of severe beating.

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by Andres125sx » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:05 pm

lh13 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:37 am
Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:34 am
lh13 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:16 am


Like? I don't remember any who got severe beating for disobeying a TO, and if anyone did, that does not make it `all`.
Then I´m afraid your memory is too weak or unconsciously selective :roll:

Max Verstappen
Esteban Ocon
Sergio Perez
Lewis Hamilton

.
.
.
What happened to these four drivers? Was anyone benched? Fired? Publicly humiliated? I would like to know your interpretation of severe beating.
Exactly same as Vettel received after Sochi. Was he benched? Fired? Publicly humiliated?

Nope, people just criticized his selfish attitude ignoring TOs, that´s all

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by Edax » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:18 pm

Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:34 am
lh13 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:16 am
Andres125sx wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:13 am


So only Ferrari fans can express their opinions about Ferrari drivers? Sorry mate, but nope

Many drivers disobey TOs, true, but all of them get severe beating for it, nothing weird here, only that this time you care more than usually because it´s Vettel
Like? I don't remember any who got severe beating for disobeying a TO, and if anyone did, that does not make it `all`.
Then I´m afraid your memory is too weak or unconsciously selective :roll:

Max Verstappen
Esteban Ocon
Sergio Perez
Lewis Hamilton
.
.
.
Think the list of drivers that always obey team orders is actually easier to draw up:

Coultard
Barrichello
Bottas
Webber
....
Anyone else?

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by marvin78 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:20 am

Massa?

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by komninosm » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:11 am

Where's the black and white flag for Magnusen?
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... cbskO.html

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Re: 2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

Post by siskue2005 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:40 pm

komninosm wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:11 am
Where's the black and white flag for Magnusen?
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... cbskO.html
Coz that flag is only used in convenient situations :lol: