2019 United States Grand Prix - Austin, 1-3 November

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ENGINE TUNER wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:49
RZS10 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 16:49
I seriously don't understand why Hulk had to give the position back ... https://youtu.be/ggtQwHGyTa8?t=92

He's fully alongside and Kimi just doesn't give him any space, he doesn't even overtake him whilst off track.

In the end having to wait for Kimi like 2 laps later cost him the time he needed to catch Sainz whose tyres were dying towards the end.

Also ... how [synonym for copulating][opposite of intelligent/smart] is Kvyat?
He just keeps driving into others with some completely skewed perception that he's always in the right and others turn in on him etc ...

https://youtu.be/ggtQwHGyTa8?t=145

He jumped the inside curb and cluttered into the side of Perez damaging his car (suspension and front wing) and celebrated the move like it was something special and not just another braindead maneuver and later said his well deserved penalty was bullshit ...

He doesn't learn, does he? Maybe some hours with a shrink would help.
Kimi gave Hulk just enough space to keep 1 tire on the white line, that is all that is required from both parties, Kimi gave the room, Hulk didn't use it, penalty deserved, proper penalty applied, give back the place,. If Hulk would have given back the place immediately then the penalty would have been less costly time wise. Do better Hulk, if you ever get the opportunity in F1 again, which he should because he is better than GRO, GIO and KUB at least.

So true... I am glad things are going from bad to worse for Haas. It is evident they are not run well since they were able to choose Gro over Hulk.. lol...

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RZS10 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:46
NathanOlder wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:02
Red Bull academy. Most of the time they build them in to little spoilt brats.
You know that this ist just your personal bias showing, right?

Speed, Buemi, Alguersuari, Hartley, Vergne, Klien, Vettel, Liuzzi, Ricciardo, Kvyat, Albon, Verstappen, Sainz and Gasly made it to F1 coming from the RB Academy.
Most of them never made enough of an impact to remember their performances, but almost none of them is remembered as a spolied brat - many of them being far from that, actually.

The few which could be categorized as such are Vettel, who really tends to get the red mist sometimes and then has a hard time admitting guilt initially but usually comes around some time later (was especially bad in his early RBR days). Then there's Verstappen where most of his behaviour can probably be ascribed to his upbringing as Jos Verstappen's son and Kvyat who just keeps crashing into people without ever thinking that it might be him.

So maybe, if you really wanted to describe Vettel as a spoiled brat and would ignore Verstappen being a Verstappen and Kvyat's low mental capacities you'd have 3/14 which surely isn't "most of the time" ...

And how many of those spent multiple years as a teenager in the young driver program being moulded into the person they are today?
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So did anyone read the Mark Hughes report about Hamilton inadvertently hitting the brake balance switch and changing it without his knowledge during qualifying which was key to him qualifying 5th? I didn't know that can even happen!

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Few pages back it was all discussed in here.
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NathanOlder wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:02
Red Bull academy. Most of the time they build them in to little spoilt brats.
Yeah this exactly what I meant, always the same with you :D

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Just_a_fan wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 10:35
Puts Bottas's supposedly amazing lap in context. Hamilton, with a car that was getting increasingly unstable as the lap went on, was only 3 tenths behind. With a "normal" car, Hamilton would have been on pole, quite simply.
Any idea how much time Lewis lost in Q3 then, which team member confirmed Hamilton's error?

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Wass85 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:31
Just_a_fan wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 10:35
Puts Bottas's supposedly amazing lap in context. Hamilton, with a car that was getting increasingly unstable as the lap went on, was only 3 tenths behind. With a "normal" car, Hamilton would have been on pole, quite simply.
Any idea how much time Lewis lost in Q3 then, which team member confirmed Hamilton's error?
There’s a pic posted a few pages back in this thread. If that is indeed the bit of CF that failed on his steering wheel it would mean that simply altering the grip on the steering wheel in hand would be enough to change that switch, so it’s not an error per se
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214270 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:52
Wass85 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:31
Just_a_fan wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 10:35
Puts Bottas's supposedly amazing lap in context. Hamilton, with a car that was getting increasingly unstable as the lap went on, was only 3 tenths behind. With a "normal" car, Hamilton would have been on pole, quite simply.
Any idea how much time Lewis lost in Q3 then, which team member confirmed Hamilton's error?
There’s a pic posted a few pages back in this thread. If that is indeed the bit of CF that failed on his steering wheel it would mean that simply altering the grip on the steering wheel in hand would be enough to change that switch, so it’s not an error per se
Has the team stated how much time he lost?

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Wass85 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:54
214270 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:52
Wass85 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:31


Any idea how much time Lewis lost in Q3 then, which team member confirmed Hamilton's error?
There’s a pic posted a few pages back in this thread. If that is indeed the bit of CF that failed on his steering wheel it would mean that simply altering the grip on the steering wheel in hand would be enough to change that switch, so it’s not an error per se
Has the team stated how much time he lost?
No I don’t know this sorry. I don’t know how quantifiable that is either
Team ANTI-HYPE. Prove it, then I’ll anoint you.

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They might talk about it in their pure pit wall video, doubt it though...

NathanOlder wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 18:48
And how many of those spent multiple years as a teenager in the young driver program being moulded into the person they are today?
I bet their respective wikipedia pages will have that info.

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Wass85 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:54
214270 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:52
Wass85 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:31


Any idea how much time Lewis lost in Q3 then, which team member confirmed Hamilton's error?
There’s a pic posted a few pages back in this thread. If that is indeed the bit of CF that failed on his steering wheel it would mean that simply altering the grip on the steering wheel in hand would be enough to change that switch, so it’s not an error per se
Has the team stated how much time he lost?
James Vowles confirmed it today. You can watch for yourself.


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RZS10 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 21:34
They might talk about it in their pure pit wall video, doubt it though...

NathanOlder wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 18:48
And how many of those spent multiple years as a teenager in the young driver program being moulded into the person they are today?
I bet their respective wikipedia pages will have that info.
Yeah, only a few on your list then.
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zibby43 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 22:25
Wass85 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:54
214270 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:52


There’s a pic posted a few pages back in this thread. If that is indeed the bit of CF that failed on his steering wheel it would mean that simply altering the grip on the steering wheel in hand would be enough to change that switch, so it’s not an error per se
Has the team stated how much time he lost?
James Vowles confirmed it today. You can watch for yourself.

https://youtu.be/uzwyFgTNarc
Yes, it was only for his first run though. They rectified it for his second run but he couldn't improve.

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Here's the guys who did over or close to 30 laps on the hards and how they managed the tyres over the length of their stint.
Hamilton  stopped on lap 24 - avg. 1:39,550
Ricciardo stopped on lap 21 - avg. 1:41,253
Perez     stopped on lap 24 - avg. 1:41,428
Sainz     stopped on lap 18 - avg. 1:41,637
Gasly     stopped on lap 19 - avg. 1:42,023
Grosjean  stopped on lap 24 - avg. 1:42,171
Hulkenberg started hard     - avg. 1:43.532
Image

Most of them dropped off eventually - looks like only Ricciardo did his (extremely impressive) stint without any significant drop, Lewis' pace got worse by roughly one second on the last few laps, some of it was traffic but it was visible that he started to struggle, maybe he dropped the pace in order to not hit the cliff - Sainz' stint was also quite good considering that he took the hard to 37 laps.

Btw ... does anyone know if there's some site that does those visualizations of the stints?



NathanOlder wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 23:37
Yeah, only a few on your list then.
oK.

You know that even if i could be arsed to write down who spent how many years with Red Bull at which age you'd then start arguing that the threshold for "being moulded into the person they are today" is just where it would cut off most of them or that they did not spend enough of their 'youth' there.

ENGINE TUNER wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:49
Kimi gave Hulk just enough space to keep 1 tire on the white line, that is all that is required from both parties
Where did the notion come from that this is all that is needed?

You are ON TRACK when you touch the line with any tyre, yes - but as to "leaving space" ...

"Any driver [...] should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track [...] For the avoidance of doubt, the track edges [are] defined by white lines"

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Wass85 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 23:42
zibby43 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 22:25
Wass85 wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 20:54


Has the team stated how much time he lost?
James Vowles confirmed it today. You can watch for yourself.

https://youtu.be/uzwyFgTNarc
Yes, it was only for his first run though. They rectified it for his second run but he couldn't improve.
No one improved on their second run did they?
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