I dont know how many penalty points Vettel has, but i believe with this incident and penalty for it, he would be very close from a race ban, if not even getting one. And aparently he gets a free pass, something what majority of other drivers from lesser teams would not get...another cockup in my opinion. Not only F1 is two tier championship in hardware situation, aparently also in politics.turbof1 wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 22:56I don't know how I feel about that motivation. So both had "the opportunity to avoid and mitigate the incident". Wouldn't that make both elligible for a penalty.
Just an extreme hyperbole: if 2 people were to shoot eachother simultanuously, I don't think a judge would say "they both had the opportunity to avoid and mitigate the incident, so no punishment".
Why punish Ferrari? They are the one with a very expensive four time world champion who can't drive straight. They have bigger problems then a few penalty points.siskue2005 wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 22:57They are not going to punish a Ferrari! They can do whatever they want
On review I do somewhat agree that both are at fault. They were 'levitating' towards eachother, and I also have to say the contact was quite minimal. Those tyres really don't like some rubbing.proteus wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 22:58I dont know how many penalty points Vettel has, but i believe with this incident and penalty for it, he would be very close from a race ban, if not even getting one. And aparently he gets a free pass, something what majority of other drivers from lesser teams would not get...another cockup in my opinion. Not only F1 is two tier championship in hardware situation, aparently also in politics.turbof1 wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 22:56I don't know how I feel about that motivation. So both had "the opportunity to avoid and mitigate the incident". Wouldn't that make both elligible for a penalty.
Just an extreme hyperbole: if 2 people were to shoot eachother simultanuously, I don't think a judge would say "they both had the opportunity to avoid and mitigate the incident, so no punishment".
i agree that that decision could have been pushed backproteus wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 22:52The Ferrari incident is the one who could have waited for the longest, since both of them are out and any possible penalties wont affect the final race result.
you're running behind langedweillangedweil wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 22:57"Car #23 [Albon] was on his normal race line," the verdict read. "Car #44 [Hamilton] attempted to pass on the inside but was unable to get far enough inside to accomplish the overtake and by the time he realised there would not be sufficient room he was unable to back out of the situation and the collision followed.
"The stewards determined that car #44 [was] predominantly at fault for the collision with #car 23 at Turn 10 [Bico de Pato] and therefore ordered a five-second penalty."
Therefor 7th now ..
I guess after watching the video, between they got tangled or both were intentionally trying to hit each other the stewards decided it was the first!turbof1 wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 22:56I don't know how I feel about that motivation. So both had "the opportunity to avoid and mitigate the incident". Wouldn't that make both elligible for a penalty.
Just an extreme hyperbole: if 2 people were to shoot eachother simultanuously, I don't think a judge would say "they both had the opportunity to avoid and mitigate the incident, so no punishment".
I'm in the Caribbean hey, we have a different tempo outhere ...Capharol wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 23:04you're running behind langedweillangedweil wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 22:57"Car #23 [Albon] was on his normal race line," the verdict read. "Car #44 [Hamilton] attempted to pass on the inside but was unable to get far enough inside to accomplish the overtake and by the time he realised there would not be sufficient room he was unable to back out of the situation and the collision followed.
"The stewards determined that car #44 [was] predominantly at fault for the collision with #car 23 at Turn 10 [Bico de Pato] and therefore ordered a five-second penalty."
Therefor 7th now ..