2019 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina Circuit, 29 - 1 November/December

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This is missing the point completely.

The Ferrari design has been low downforce and high top speed from day one of the season.

The engine trick that now seems to have gone since the clarifications allowed them to run more downforce but still be fast on the straights. Now they do not have that we will again see slow cornering and higher tyre wear.

Expect to see the closest Ferrari at minimum 30 seconds behind the leader come the flag.

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How on earth did Ferrari get the car they brought to Abu Dhabi , on pole in Singapore. Please some explain that one.
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NathanOlder wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:35 am
How on earth did Ferrari get the car they brought to Abu Dhabi , on pole in Singapore. Please some explain that one.
we could, but that would mean bringing back a (the same) discussion that might never end
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Capharol wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:38 am
NathanOlder wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:35 am
How on earth did Ferrari get the car they brought to Abu Dhabi , on pole in Singapore. Please some explain that one.
we could, but that would mean bringing back a (the same) discussion that might never end
You have to consider that in Singapore Ferrari wasn't unusually good, but Mercedes was bad.
Possibly due to bumps and harder suspension on Mercedes.

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djones wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:26 am
This is missing the point completely.

The Ferrari design has been low downforce and high top speed from day one of the season.

The engine trick that now seems to have gone since the clarifications allowed them to run more downforce but still be fast on the straights. Now they do not have that we will again see slow cornering and higher tyre wear.

Expect to see the closest Ferrari at minimum 30 seconds behind the leader come the flag.
Yup, the Ferrari has been fastest on the straight from day 1, it is nothing new...In the singapore they were able to pile downforce and go faster than the almighty cornering speeds of Merc and still be more than 3 tenths faster in straight and also faster in corners
Let see the mini sectors at Singapore
After the first corners ferrari slightly ahead!
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Going into the corner before the straights, ferrari have been faster through that corner
Image
At the end of the short straight they have gained upto 2 tenths
Image

But after the corner after the straights they are still ahead !! (note the point
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They gained even more before the turn 9
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It shows that they had ample amounts of downforce and also power to pull that much time in the straights

Now coming to Sochi
Into the first corner they are 2 tenths up
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And practically didnot lose any time in the first corner!
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After the next long straight they are ahead as predictably
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But they didnot lose any time at all in the furthur corners, they just kept gaining and only until sector 3 he made few mistakes and lost the time to merc
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Then at Abudhabi
Into the hairpin Lewis actually locked up ran wide and lost time out of the hairpin and lost massively onto the straights! These two photos showed how he lost atleast a tenth in the corner alone due to lockup and furthur down the straight
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You can see his final run he was 1 tenth slower than his previous best in the sector 2 due to the lockup...as he has improved on all other sectors, he totally lost 2 tenths in that sector alone.
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THen he lost 2 tenths on the straights, but from the photos above we know that they dont lose all of the it in the next corner!
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BUT, he lost it all on the next corner
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Again they gain it back, BUT
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Lost is in the next corners
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And kept losing all in the next corners
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So this shows that at singapore they had more downforce than the merc and still gained the usual amount in the straights, Same with Sochi.... BUT not after the TD, where they couldnot not gain as much as they did AND also lost everything in the furthur corners.

Usually teams run more downforce if they have power to gain time everywhere, that is what they did before the TD, where they could go faster in the corners and also be fast in striaghts.

But now the loss of power they have obvisouly removed downforce to compensate the straightline speed loss, which has lead them to be the same as before the summer break.

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siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:33 pm
djones wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:26 am
This is missing the point completely.

The Ferrari design has been low downforce and high top speed from day one of the season.

The engine trick that now seems to have gone since the clarifications allowed them to run more downforce but still be fast on the straights. Now they do not have that we will again see slow cornering and higher tyre wear.

Expect to see the closest Ferrari at minimum 30 seconds behind the leader come the flag.
Yup, the Ferrari has been fastest on the straight from day 1, it is nothing new...In the singapore they were able to pile downforce and go faster than the almighty cornering speeds of Merc and still be more than 3 tenths faster in straight and also faster in corners
[..]
If it just was as easy as pile on DF and go fast in the corners.
Do you see them running Monza wings here in Abu Dhabi? No, it's the same standard RW as usual - comparison.
Any other way of saying "they took off DF" is based on nothing we can validate for sure.

Hungary, Monaco, Barcelona S3 all very high DF but Ferrari still losing out in corners. This problem wasn't fully solved with the Singapore upgrade, it helped but Merc and RB were also not performing at their best.
Different asphalt, air temp, track temp, tyre pressures, corner radii, curbs etc. can not be ignored.
Some car performes well at track X and is suddenly bad at track Y that's just how it goes.
Last year Ferrari also lost 6 tenths in S3 and in 2017 it wasn't much different.
You can also see on Vettels steering wheel that all of his tyres start overheating right after the hairpin which ofc doesn't help in S3.

If anything this year and its tyres showed is that you want as much DF as you can get, doesn't matter if you lose 3 tenths on the straights in Qualifying.

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Ferrari Leclerc under investigation already

Didn't quite hear it, but some thing along the lines of amoubt of fuel onboard
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Uh oh, more Ferrari drama.
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NathanOlder wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:37 pm
Ferrari Leclerc under investigation already

Didn't quite hear it, but some thing along the lines of amoubt of fuel onboard
yes Bauer found out that the amount of fuel in the car was different as what the team said.

it will be investigated AFTER the race....

look up in the dictonary on the definition of "shooting yourself in the foot" = do what Ferrari does in anyway possible, screw up Quali, screw up strategy, screw up .... everything
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NathanOlder wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:37 pm
Ferrari Leclerc under investigation already

Didn't quite hear it, but some thing along the lines of amoubt of fuel onboard
Team declaration is different to the random check. So far no one is sure if it’s to much or to little with regard to volume/weight.

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Capharol wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:40 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:37 pm
Ferrari Leclerc under investigation already

Didn't quite hear it, but some thing along the lines of amoubt of fuel onboard
yes Bauer found out that the amount of fuel in the car was different as what the team said.

it will be investigated AFTER the race
Could just be a miscommunication somewhere. Running your car underweight isn't clever these days.

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siskue2005 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:33 pm
djones wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:26 am
This is missing the point completely.

The Ferrari design has been low downforce and high top speed from day one of the season.

The engine trick that now seems to have gone since the clarifications allowed them to run more downforce but still be fast on the straights. Now they do not have that we will again see slow cornering and higher tyre wear.

Expect to see the closest Ferrari at minimum 30 seconds behind the leader come the flag.
Yup, the Ferrari has been fastest on the straight from day 1, it is nothing new...In the singapore they were able to pile downforce and go faster than the almighty cornering speeds of Merc and still be more than 3 tenths faster in straight and also faster in corners
Let see the mini sectors at Singapore
After the first corners ferrari slightly ahead!
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/371 ... 94fadc.jpg

Going into the corner before the straights, ferrari have been faster through that corner
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/226 ... 1a0657.jpg
At the end of the short straight they have gained upto 2 tenths
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/048 ... 15f674.jpg

But after the corner after the straights they are still ahead !! (note the point
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/527 ... 2acd6d.jpg
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/931 ... f3705d.jpg

They gained even more before the turn 9
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/635 ... fc8a24.jpg

It shows that they had ample amounts of downforce and also power to pull that much time in the straights

Now coming to Sochi
Into the first corner they are 2 tenths up
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/833 ... 1e6dc9.jpg
And practically didnot lose any time in the first corner!
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/323 ... 82eae2.jpg
After the next long straight they are ahead as predictably
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/563 ... aa9248.jpg
But they didnot lose any time at all in the furthur corners, they just kept gaining and only until sector 3 he made few mistakes and lost the time to merc
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/709 ... 526d0b.jpg
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/328 ... 8e89c3.jpg
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/550 ... 0d2ca7.jpg

Then at Abudhabi
Into the hairpin Lewis actually locked up ran wide and lost time out of the hairpin and lost massively onto the straights! These two photos showed how he lost atleast a tenth in the corner alone due to lockup and furthur down the straight
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/693 ... eaba2b.jpg
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/838 ... bddced.jpg
You can see his final run he was 1 tenth slower than his previous best in the sector 2 due to the lockup...as he has improved on all other sectors, he totally lost 2 tenths in that sector alone.
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/001 ... 0255bd.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmuKQ2JQK30&t=56s

THen he lost 2 tenths on the straights, but from the photos above we know that they dont lose all of the it in the next corner!
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/858 ... db327d.jpg
BUT, he lost it all on the next corner
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/776 ... 562e15.jpg
Again they gain it back, BUT
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/858 ... db327d.jpg
Lost is in the next corners
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/528 ... 8b9615.jpg
And kept losing all in the next corners
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/710 ... ab3ef0.jpg
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/044 ... c35229.jpg

So this shows that at singapore they had more downforce than the merc and still gained the usual amount in the straights, Same with Sochi.... BUT not after the TD, where they couldnot not gain as much as they did AND also lost everything in the furthur corners.

Usually teams run more downforce if they have power to gain time everywhere, that is what they did before the TD, where they could go faster in the corners and also be fast in striaghts.

But now the loss of power they have obvisouly removed downforce to compensate the straightline speed loss, which has lead them to be the same as before the summer break.
It could be something as simple as not switching the tyres on though mate. If I recall early on in the season Ferrari and that great power and really should have blitzed pole but on occasions they didn't.

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What could possibly be the reason to do so. What can they gain?
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Horner said significant difference.
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