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Here are some from the first day last year
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... ldmfF.html

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toraabe wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:51 pm
If this car is a flop. they should instead focus on 2021.....
And being beaten by energetic drink makers? Brand like Ferrari can not to let it be like that, even from marketing point of view.

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Unf wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:47 pm
toraabe wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:51 pm
If this car is a flop. they should instead focus on 2021.....
And being beaten by energetic drink makers? Brand like Ferrari can not to let it be like that, even from marketing point of view.
Happened in '14 (not shocking with new regs) and '16 already, although this component of the discussion is probably best suited for the team thread.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:41 pm
nemanja wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:48 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:15 pm
Seems Ferrari are still taking some design risks. They haven't mastered their new techniques required for these innovations
What do You mean? Hydraulic front suspension...?
The engine. The engine has something new I sense. I cant explain why a mature engine design would have less reliabilitythan last year so the engine must have some bee really new features in it this year i suspect
Does the engine not have a bunch of new parts? On stream the commentators mentioned new turbos among other things. THat'd explain things

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From the Leo Turrini blog:

"The first aerodynamic package of the SF1000 does not work. So far the problems of 2019 have not been solved. The car suffers from understeer and the performance on the dry lap are still far away from the Mercedes (and Red Bull) levels."

Turrini, a Ferrari insider, had reported a few weeks ago that the SF1000 had not achieved the expected results in the wind tunnel.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini ... tto-5.6175

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zibby43 wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:34 am
From the Leo Turrini blog:

"The first aerodynamic package of the SF1000 does not work. So far the problems of 2019 have not been solved. The car suffers from understeer and the performance on the dry lap are still far away from the Mercedes (and Red Bull) levels."

Turrini, a Ferrari insider, had reported a few weeks ago that the SF1000 had not achieved the expected results in the wind tunnel.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini ... tto-5.6175
Maybe that's why they've built two dragster in a row, they forgot how to put downforce on a car.
I don't think it'll be as bad that this seems though, they might get trashed in Melbourne again but after that the relative performance of the big three will vary from track to track.

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zibby43 wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:34 am
From the Leo Turrini blog:

"The first aerodynamic package of the SF1000 does not work. So far the problems of 2019 have not been solved. The car suffers from understeer and the performance on the dry lap are still far away from the Mercedes (and Red Bull) levels."

Turrini, a Ferrari insider, had reported a few weeks ago that the SF1000 had not achieved the expected results in the wind tunnel.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini ... tto-5.6175
I don't know if anyone raised this question, but. Why, back in 2018, Ferrari brought updates after the US Grand Prix, but could not force the floor and aero to work correctly, as a result, after 3 GP it was decided to roll back to the US car version? Why didn’t their engineers see that the new ones would not work correctly earlier? Where is the reason for the discrepancy between the data in the simulator and in reality on the track?
I can’t say that Ferrari has everything in errors and the correlation is low, because they win at some stages of the championship against strong competitors (Merc/RB), but these things are strange.
Why Ferrari did not see that for the new tires 2019 need more pressure, but Mercedes saw? Could it be that some of the tools for creating a car are less perfect, not so modern, high-quality? All this recalls the story of Newey in his book when he was fooled by an outdated windtunnel in Southampton and didn't see a changes in airflow, so the car did not work on the track.

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zibby43 wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:34 am
From the Leo Turrini blog:

"The first aerodynamic package of the SF1000 does not work. So far the problems of 2019 have not been solved. The car suffers from understeer and the performance on the dry lap are still far away from the Mercedes (and Red Bull) levels."

Turrini, a Ferrari insider, had reported a few weeks ago that the SF1000 had not achieved the expected results in the wind tunnel.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini ... tto-5.6175
will be interessting to see how much far away they are, if its so much how it sounds maybe the old car is still faster?

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KiLLu12258 wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:01 am
zibby43 wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:34 am
From the Leo Turrini blog:

"The first aerodynamic package of the SF1000 does not work. So far the problems of 2019 have not been solved. The car suffers from understeer and the performance on the dry lap are still far away from the Mercedes (and Red Bull) levels."

Turrini, a Ferrari insider, had reported a few weeks ago that the SF1000 had not achieved the expected results in the wind tunnel.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini ... tto-5.6175
will be interessting to see how much far away they are, if its so much how it sounds maybe the old car is still faster?
That's a real problem if they didn't make any progress... it means they are behind racing point too at this point

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KiLLu12258 wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:01 am
zibby43 wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:34 am
From the Leo Turrini blog:

"The first aerodynamic package of the SF1000 does not work. So far the problems of 2019 have not been solved. The car suffers from understeer and the performance on the dry lap are still far away from the Mercedes (and Red Bull) levels."

Turrini, a Ferrari insider, had reported a few weeks ago that the SF1000 had not achieved the expected results in the wind tunnel.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini ... tto-5.6175
will be interessting to see how much far away they are, if its so much how it sounds maybe the old car is still faster?
The old car is not faster...

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jumpingfish wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:52 am
zibby43 wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:34 am
From the Leo Turrini blog:

"The first aerodynamic package of the SF1000 does not work. So far the problems of 2019 have not been solved. The car suffers from understeer and the performance on the dry lap are still far away from the Mercedes (and Red Bull) levels."

Turrini, a Ferrari insider, had reported a few weeks ago that the SF1000 had not achieved the expected results in the wind tunnel.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini ... tto-5.6175
I don't know if anyone raised this question, but. Why, back in 2018, Ferrari brought updates after the US Grand Prix, but could not force the floor and aero to work correctly, as a result, after 3 GP it was decided to roll back to the US car version? Why didn’t their engineers see that the new ones would not work correctly earlier? Where is the reason for the discrepancy between the data in the simulator and in reality on the track?
I can’t say that Ferrari has everything in errors and the correlation is low, because they win at some stages of the championship against strong competitors (Merc/RB), but these things are strange.
Why Ferrari did not see that for the new tires 2019 need more pressure, but Mercedes saw? Could it be that some of the tools for creating a car are less perfect, not so modern, high-quality? All this recalls the story of Newey in his book when he was fooled by an outdated windtunnel in Southampton and didn't see a changes in airflow, so the car did not work on the track.
The answer is car setup.

The aero package showed promise and obviously the simulations showed results. They worked on getting the car setup probably to benefit from the new package but couldn't get it to actually behave as it did in the simulations

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zibby43 wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:34 am
From the Leo Turrini blog:

"The first aerodynamic package of the SF1000 does not work. So far the problems of 2019 have not been solved. The car suffers from understeer and the performance on the dry lap are still far away from the Mercedes (and Red Bull) levels."
Turrini, a Ferrari insider, had reported a few weeks ago that the SF1000 had not achieved the expected results in the wind tunnel.

https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini ... tto-5.6175
The reason this makes me a little skeptical is Haas uses Ferrari wind tunnel for their development and they don't seem to have correlation issues they had last year.
Last year both Haas and Ferrari suffered from correlation issues

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I don't rememeber which one season it was, but it was that Ferrari had much more downforce than Mercedes, which was have seen very strong in Hungary for instance... Wasn't is on 2016 probably?

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Unf wrote:
Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:27 pm
I don't rememeber which one season it was, but it was that Ferrari had much more downforce than Mercedes, which was have seen very strong in Hungary for instance... Wasn't is on 2016 probably?
2017

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Ok, so it looks like - Ferrari had much more downforce during 2017, they failed fighitng for title so they changed their aero totally to much less drag in 2018 and 2019... and failed again. Quite depressive... whatever they do, Mercedes is still better.