2020 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, March 12-15

[Phil]

FIA's approval is nothing official IMO. It's at best a recommendation. A formal protest and differing interpretation by a steward could still get them disqualified AFAIK. Probably slim chance, but could happen.

[Polite]

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... l-protest/

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1237724193661300736

Mercedes haven't been developing DAS for all that time, and consulting with FIA since last July iirc, to tamely give it up now. They'll run it, and the stewards won't go against FIA, who give them their jobs.

Red Bull being upset probably means their analysis since testing shows it's rather effective.

Fully agree. They've got the FiA's approval and subsequent clarification of its legality. To not run it would be the wrong response after the effort.

mercedes asked for clarification of the rules and the FIA ​​replied that under the 2020 rules there were no irregularities but immediately making the DAS irregular for 2021 with the new regulation. we should therefore say that AMG found a loophole and FIA closed it for the 'next year. therefore it was not in the spirit of the regulation.

indeed there are many here who do not understand how the rules work and that the laws in general cannot be interpreted by those who are not in the sector.

[TAG]

Mercedes haven't been developing DAS for all that time, and consulting with FIA since last July iirc, to tamely give it up now. They'll run it, and the stewards won't go against FIA, who give them their jobs.

Red Bull being upset probably means their analysis since testing shows it's rather effective.

Fully agree. They've got the FiA's approval and subsequent clarification of its legality. To not run it would be the wrong response after the effort.

mercedes asked for clarification of the rules and the FIA ​​replied that under the 2020 rules there were no irregularities but immediately making the DAS irregular for 2021 with the new regulation. we should therefore say that AMG found a loophole and FIA closed it for the 'next year. therefore it was not in the spirit of the regulation.

indeed there are many here who do not understand how the rules work and that the laws in general cannot be interpreted by those who are not in the sector.

You see what you want to see. This is no different than the T bars at the back of the shark fin. The only difference is that one was easy to implement, the other isn't If you think my comparison is wrong, I'd love to hear why.

EDIT: it was also banned for 2021 to prevent the development costs, they explicitly said that, not due to it being illegal or against the spirit of the rules.

[GPR-A]

indeed there are many here who do not understand how the rules work and that the laws in general cannot be interpreted by those who are not in the sector.

With that definition, I would go a step further and say, no one here should be commenting anything about F1 as almost no one is "in the sector". But what's life and Internet forums if not speculating ?

[marvin78]

Speculating is ok. But far to many people state their "speculation" as facts. That's more than annoying.

[foxmulder_ms]

Mercedes haven't been developing DAS for all that time, and consulting with FIA since last July iirc, to tamely give it up now. They'll run it, and the stewards won't go against FIA, who give them their jobs.

Red Bull being upset probably means their analysis since testing shows it's rather effective.

Fully agree. They've got the FiA's approval and subsequent clarification of its legality. To not run it would be the wrong response after the effort.

mercedes asked for clarification of the rules and the FIA ​​replied that under the 2020 rules there were no irregularities but immediately making the DAS irregular for 2021 with the new regulation. we should therefore say that AMG found a loophole and FIA closed it for the 'next year. therefore it was not in the spirit of the regulation.

indeed there are many here who do not understand how the rules work and that the laws in general cannot be interpreted by those who are not in the sector.

That is not what happened at all. The rules for 2021 was written before DAS appeared publicly. There is nothing changed in 2021 rules afterwards. Mercedes developed DAS for only 2020, knowing it wont be allowed in 2021. like 1000 other parts on these year's cars.

Anyhow, I really hope to see DAS used in this coming days and figure out the effect on the lap times.

[gibells]

The only way I can see DAS being allowed is if they can prove that it doesn't work in Parc ferme conditions. That is, in qualifying. Because it's a device altering the suspension settings of the car. If they can prove that they didn't use it, then I guess it will be fine. After that, during the race, it will be perfectly legal

[etusch]

Mercedes haven't been developing DAS for all that time, and consulting with FIA since last July iirc, to tamely give it up now. They'll run it, and the stewards won't go against FIA, who give them their jobs.

Red Bull being upset probably means their analysis since testing shows it's rather effective.

Fully agree. They've got the FiA's approval and subsequent clarification of its legality. To not run it would be the wrong response after the effort.

mercedes asked for clarification of the rules and the FIA ​​replied that under the 2020 rules there were no irregularities but immediately making the DAS irregular for 2021 with the new regulation. we should therefore say that AMG found a loophole and FIA closed it for the 'next year. therefore it was not in the spirit of the regulation.

indeed there are many here who do not understand how the rules work and that the laws in general cannot be interpreted by those who are not in the sector.

Agree.
This also shows Fia are how bad in conducting f1. If they had not approved das, mercedes were not going to work on it. And if it were a loophole in the rules that merc had found but fia wanted to close they could say no to merc. In this case, this kind of allowance is supporting merc. and banning it for next season is; saying to other teams " don't work on it, until you apply it I will ban it "
It looks like fia approved mercedes' system at first. now if they say for it, it is illegal then what will happen to merc's all works and money?
From every aspect fia sucks and looks like they are getting better on it.

[kimetic]

The only way I can see DAS being allowed is if they can prove that it doesn't work in Parc ferme conditions. That is, in qualifying. Because it's a device altering the suspension settings of the car. If they can prove that they didn't use it, then I guess it will be fine. After that, during the race, it will be perfectly legal

It depends if you call it making an "adjustment". If it just moves a dynamically movable part then that's not a parc ferme "setting". And since the steering wheel isn't "fixed" that gets them neatly through the loophole. The fact that they closed the loophole for next year is a pretty solid sign the loophole exists for this year.

I think this is how FIA will encourage their stewards to see it.

[the EDGE]

I thought we had argued about DAS for long enough in its own thread...

We all have our own views, lets wait until Sunday for the answers

[LM10]

Fully agree. They've got the FiA's approval and subsequent clarification of its legality. To not run it would be the wrong response after the effort.

mercedes asked for clarification of the rules and the FIA ​​replied that under the 2020 rules there were no irregularities but immediately making the DAS irregular for 2021 with the new regulation. we should therefore say that AMG found a loophole and FIA closed it for the 'next year. therefore it was not in the spirit of the regulation.

indeed there are many here who do not understand how the rules work and that the laws in general cannot be interpreted by those who are not in the sector.

That is not what happened at all. The rules for 2021 was written before DAS appeared publicly. There is nothing changed in 2021 rules afterwards. Mercedes developed DAS for only 2020, knowing it wont be allowed in 2021. like 1000 other parts on these year's cars.

Anyhow, I really hope to see DAS used in this coming days and figure out the effect on the lap times.

And you think that FIA just out of nowhere and without any connection to DAS rewrote the rules to forbid it in 2021? The rules might have been written before it was public, but Mercedes and the FIA had been in contact with regard to DAS already way before.

[dans79]

The only way I can see DAS being allowed is if they can prove that it doesn't work in Parc ferme conditions. That is, in qualifying. Because it's a device altering the suspension settings of the car. If they can prove that they didn't use it, then I guess it will be fine. After that, during the race, it will be perfectly legal

It depends if you call it making an "adjustment". If it just moves a dynamically movable part then that's not a parc ferme "setting". And since the steering wheel isn't "fixed" that gets them neatly through the loophole. The fact that they closed the loophole for next year is a pretty solid sign the loophole exists for this year.

I think this is how FIA will encourage their stewards to see it.

Not to mention DAS is parting of the steering system and that technically falls under a different set of rules than the suspension system.

[dans79]

And you think that FIA just out of nowhere and without any connection to DAS rewrote the rules to forbid it in 2021? The rules might have been written before it was public, but Mercedes and the FIA had been in contact with regard to DAS already way before.

Well then it's very much a case of the early bird catches the worm.

[kimetic]

Not to mention DAS is parting of the steering system and that technically falls under a different set of rules than the suspension system.

Yes that too. I reckon it's more likely Red Bull will drop the protest than Mercedes will drop the system.

[Polite]

The only way I can see DAS being allowed is if they can prove that it doesn't work in Parc ferme conditions. That is, in qualifying. Because it's a device altering the suspension settings of the car. If they can prove that they didn't use it, then I guess it will be fine. After that, during the race, it will be perfectly legal

It depends if you call it making an "adjustment". If it just moves a dynamically movable part then that's not a parc ferme "setting". And since the steering wheel isn't "fixed" that gets them neatly through the loophole. The fact that they closed the loophole for next year is a pretty solid sign the loophole exists for this year.

I think this is how FIA will encourage their stewards to see it.

Not to mention DAS is parting of the steering system and that technically falls under a different set of rules than the suspension system.

no! for the tech rules, wheel rims and tyre are part of the suspension system... art. 1.6