Some are now beginning to ask " What if there never is a vaccine?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ornGfmKpD7I.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑23 May 2020, 17:05Of those assessed, the death rate was double. That's in the numbers.hollus wrote: ↑23 May 2020, 16:36The point you made wasJust_a_fan wrote: ↑23 May 2020, 11:02Yes, but it's not the wonder drug that Trump keeps claiming. That's the point.Very different and why I countered towards neutral.hydroxychloroquine found to double death rates of those hospitalised with COVID-19.
It is important to make the point that one is trying to make. Internet, forums and all that.
Using drugs outside of their tested and licensed use can be beneficial for some but it's also likely to be dangerous for others. That's why drugs are tested and licensed, after all. They didn't used to be and people all sorts of stuff for all sorts of things and many died. No one in authority should be publicly pushing off-license use of drugs, especially when they have no qualifications in drug prescribing.
We can't discuss that because it is a political decision...
The problem with quarantine on arrival is that you have to get off the plane, where you have been swapping air with over 100 others, then go through arrivals with a few thousand others, then transport from Air Port to home where you can not then mix with anyone else. Seems a poor idea to me. Mix with everyone then isolate?
Well, you do not really spread it in these conditions without symptoms. The main spreads were at party locations, restaurants, where people speak loud or even sing. Anything with singing was a main spreader. Or hospitals, old peoples homes, etc...Big Tea wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 17:42The problem with quarantine on arrival is that you have to get off the plane, where you have been swapping air with over 100 others, then go through arrivals with a few thousand others, then transport from Air Port to home where you can not then mix with anyone else. Seems a poor idea to me. Mix with everyone then isolate?
Picture yourself outdoors on a cold day. You see where your breath goes and as it dries it continues to rise as it is warm and getting lighter. You puff out a lungful in a room and that hangs for several seconds if you are there or not.basti313 wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 12:02Well, you do not really spread it in these conditions without symptoms. The main spreads were at party locations, restaurants, where people speak loud or even sing. Anything with singing was a main spreader. Or hospitals, old peoples homes, etc...Big Tea wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 17:42The problem with quarantine on arrival is that you have to get off the plane, where you have been swapping air with over 100 others, then go through arrivals with a few thousand others, then transport from Air Port to home where you can not then mix with anyone else. Seems a poor idea to me. Mix with everyone then isolate?
People have face masks now, there is no air stream in a plane along the plane, 1.5m distances will be held at the (not busy) airports. There were also no reports on spreads in a plane before. So I think there is not much danger from the travel.
The main risk is, that people returning spread it in the family and then spread it into hospitals or homes for elderly. The two weeks would be too long for one returning person. I think it is more to gain time for the family spread.
This is a too pessimistic view and is just covered by easy assumptions. No offense on the assumptions, but what we have today is a clear view with many studies on the spread, for example the cluster studies from Austria or Island. The main clusters were, as described, restaurants, bars and places where people live. Neither the planes people used to get back from skiing in Ischgl, the airports nor any other public transport show up in the cluster studies.Big Tea wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 14:51Picture yourself outdoors on a cold day. You see where your breath goes and as it dries it continues to rise as it is warm and getting lighter. You puff out a lungful in a room and that hangs for several seconds if you are there or not.basti313 wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 12:02Well, you do not really spread it in these conditions without symptoms. The main spreads were at party locations, restaurants, where people speak loud or even sing. Anything with singing was a main spreader. Or hospitals, old peoples homes, etc...Big Tea wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 17:42
The problem with quarantine on arrival is that you have to get off the plane, where you have been swapping air with over 100 others, then go through arrivals with a few thousand others, then transport from Air Port to home where you can not then mix with anyone else. Seems a poor idea to me. Mix with everyone then isolate?
People have face masks now, there is no air stream in a plane along the plane, 1.5m distances will be held at the (not busy) airports. There were also no reports on spreads in a plane before. So I think there is not much danger from the travel.
The main risk is, that people returning spread it in the family and then spread it into hospitals or homes for elderly. The two weeks would be too long for one returning person. I think it is more to gain time for the family spread.
Someone walking through 30 sec or more after you walks through a 'cloud of your breath', which if you have a virus that is shedding contains plenty to cause an infection for several people.
Add to this that you can be shedding for 3 to 8 days before you get symptoms (some are even completely asymptomatic apparently, but still spread) and there is little chance of controlling it indoors, none at all of say public transport where the air does not change just circulates.
when eating out you sit most of the time vis-a-vis to other people your are with, your mouth is not covered, you are eating, you open your mouth and saliva is spraying around because everything looks so yummy. you talk a lot because the wine a fine, and that is what you do eating out, having fun and laughing in peoples faces.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 18:15So people sat in a restaurant spread the virus, but people sitting much closer together for long periods of time in an aircraft don't? Sorry, don't buy it.
And in airplanes people cough, they squeeze by each other in the aisles whilst breathing (obviously). Sure, from now on you can make people wear masks but, unless it's a short flight, you're still going to be feeding them and the masks will come off then.FrukostScones wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 18:53when eating out you sit most of the time vis-a-vis to other people your are with, your mouth is not covered, you are eating, you open your mouth and saliva is spraying around because everything looks so yummy. you talk a lot because the wine a fine, and that is what you do eating out, having fun and laughing in peoples faces.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 18:15So people sat in a restaurant spread the virus, but people sitting much closer together for long periods of time in an aircraft don't? Sorry, don't buy it.
In a plane you can make all passengers wear a mask and can make them stfu the whole flight. Maybe safer than resturant.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-19/ ... s/12263242 o
I know they want to sell flights, but still...
We here had at least one (super)spreading event in restaurant, now that restaurants are open in again in my country for an week now.
I can assure you that I don't eat like that. If someone eats with their mouth open, they get told to eat with their mouth shut!you are eating, you open your mouth and saliva is spraying around because everything looks so yummy.