2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:39
Yes definitly one stop..
Pitstop around lap 30 or so.
Max is on mediums but the mercedes has DAS.
And to mention that one lap pace gives them a big advantage on undercuts.

Max goes to soft will be an advantage if he can keep those mediums from graining. Pressure from Racing Point might force him to push too early.
The higher temps tomorrow might mean additional wear. Strictly speaking from an engineering standpoint we might get to see wonders tomorrow, Living through F1 brilliance if only for one season.
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Wynters wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:43
PlatinumZealot wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:39
Yes definitly one stop..
Pitstop around lap 30 or so.
Max is on mediums but the mercedes has DAS.
And to mention that one lap pace gives them a big advantage on undercuts.

Max goes to soft will be an advantage if he can keep those mediums from graining. Pressure from Racing Point might force him to push too early.
It should be a fascinating chess match tomorrow. Will also be good to see how the teams' long run pace holds up. Really looking forward to the race!
The biggest key could well be if they can make the hard tire work, or that they will have to go soft-med-med.

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Jolle wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:46
The biggest key could well be if they can make the hard tire work, or that they will have to go soft-med-med.
Agreed. With the extra temperature it'll be even more exciting. Strategy predictions are one thing, the reality on the tarmac may well be something else entirely. There's a pretty good chance that Verstappen is well positioned to exploit any unexpected developments (as are those positioned 11th and back).

Really looking forward to seeing how it all pans out tomorrow. Just hope that no one gets taken out at the first corner.

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Did Pirelli publish tire strategy predictions? Did not see them.

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TimW wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:58
Did Pirelli publish tire strategy predictions? Did not see them.
They did on their website, they think 1 stop is the fastest strategy with 24-28 laps on the Softs then switch to Hards or 27-32 on Mediums and switch to Hards

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Do Renault explain why they are only doing one run in q3 and leaving their runs late in the other qually sessions?

No banker lap leaves them at risk of yellow flags (as happened to Ricciardo). Are they using more tyres in practice /Q1 then others?

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browney wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 00:47
Do Renault explain why they are only doing one run in q3 and leaving their runs late in the other qually sessions?

No banker lap leaves them at risk of yellow flags (as happened to Ricciardo). Are they using more tyres in practice /Q1 then others?
Saving tires.

The higher up you expect to be, the more you have to loose if you don’t put in a banker lap. For Renault at the moment a banker lap only would mean a place or two max, therefore a small risk,
Compared to the risk of less tires, damage to the car or other mishaps that can happen running the car at 100%

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matt_b wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 00:21
TimW wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:58
Did Pirelli publish tire strategy predictions? Did not see them.
They did on their website, they think 1 stop is the fastest strategy with 24-28 laps on the Softs then switch to Hards or 27-32 on Mediums and switch to Hards
I don't think the softs will last 24 laps, last year 24 laps was the most any of the front runners did on softs. The undercut was actually very powerful, so pitting on lap 22 for softs, then hards to the end. Starting on the mediums Verstappen was able to go to lap 30 last year, then slapped on hards and went the rest of the way. He's in position to do the same.
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Wynters wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:43
PlatinumZealot wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:39
Yes definitly one stop..
Pitstop around lap 30 or so.
Max is on mediums but the mercedes has DAS.
And to mention that one lap pace gives them a big advantage on undercuts.

Max goes to soft will be an advantage if he can keep those mediums from graining. Pressure from Racing Point might force him to push too early.
It should be a fascinating chess match tomorrow. Will also be good to see how the teams' long run pace holds up. Really looking forward to the race!
A perfectly timed 2 stop from Max might see him in 1st. But honestly it all really depends on how much of an advantage DAS is.


Either way Racing Point plays a small role tomorrow in putting pressure on the 3rd spot but I'm pretty sure Max and Hamilton won't be bothered by Racing Point.
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godlameroso wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 02:03
I don't think the softs will last 24 laps, last year 24 laps was the most any of the front runners did on softs. The undercut was actually very powerful, so pitting on lap 22 for softs, then hards to the end. Starting on the mediums Verstappen was able to go to lap 30 last year, then slapped on hards and went the rest of the way. He's in position to do the same.
Did Verstappen do two hot laps on his Q2 Mediums? If so, I suspect he might not have the same tyre life.

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That depends on whether 2 lap mediums are on the same level of one lap old qualifying tires.
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TAG wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:44
PlatinumZealot wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 23:39
Yes definitly one stop..
Pitstop around lap 30 or so.
Max is on mediums but the mercedes has DAS.
And to mention that one lap pace gives them a big advantage on undercuts.

Max goes to soft will be an advantage if he can keep those mediums from graining. Pressure from Racing Point might force him to push too early.
The higher temps tomorrow might mean additional wear. Strictly speaking from an engineering standpoint we might get to see wonders tomorrow, Living through F1 brilliance if only for one season.
Higher temps may move cars that were just out of the tire temperature into the window, or cars that are in the window to change balance. I suspect that DAS may be able to somewhat correct that balance.

If tomorrow for instance, the Ferraris and Red Bulls move into the window, it could change how the race unfolds, but Mercedes can counter any balance shift they may have suffered(to a certain extent).

Also remember a lot of lift and coast was used last year to extend the stint to make a one stopper possible. It remains to be seen how much an aggressive strategy can gain despite an extra stop.
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I’m a Ferrari fan, but even I think it is fair to say that Ferrari has imploded somehow.

The loss in engine performance is definitely on the nose. It almost indicates this ‘trick’ was in action since at LEAST 2018. IFFFF (and big if) that is the case, even as a Ferrari fan I have to say that it’s abhorrent that they would spend so much time money and effort on perfecting and abusing this trick. Instead, in that time they had that increased performance, AT LEAST spend the time saved by implementing this on building an absolute dynamite engine.

Not only did they seemingly not do that, they also didn’t invest in aerodynamics.

Just some incredibly odd choices?

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Moore77 wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 19:49
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04 Jul 2020, 19:33
This is great! Lando did a great job today! =D>

https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/ ... 5728105475
Ricciardo must be smiling!
Not wrong, the Macca is getting better and better every year and next year he’ll have the most powerful PU on the grid in the back. I would be shocked if he and Lando don’t win a race each and get multiple podiums next year.
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Jolle wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 21:22
If I was the head of Williams, Racing Point, McLaren or Alpha Tauri, I would be knocking on the backdoor of the FIA and Liberty asking for a financial "solution".... It's now obvious that the Ferrari engines weren't legal and therefore the non-ferrari teams. especially the midfield, have a right of more of the prize pie.

Everyone but Mercedes would go up one place, and William would go up three places.

Some kind of civil motorsport case, :P
Williams are proof that if you screw up your chassis and aero, the most powerful PU on the grid can’t save you from being slow.

Sure Ferrari have lost some power, but they’ve screwed the pooch in the most important place, Aero and Ferrari themselves have confirmed aero correlation issues.
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