2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

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siskue2005 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:33
Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:29
Albon pulled the move correctly, it's pointless to say he could've been patient when he pulled the move cleanly.
Can't see intent on Hamilton's end, but that was on him.
How is a move on a down hill right turn on the outside side by side pulling a move correctly?? it was totally an inexperienced and desperate move on the outside at the very first opportunity even before the DRS was enabled and that too with 2 compounds softer 24 laps fresher tyres.
That's an overtaking spot and he made it ahead on the outside.

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Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:34
siskue2005 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:33
Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:29
Albon pulled the move correctly, it's pointless to say he could've been patient when he pulled the move cleanly.
Can't see intent on Hamilton's end, but that was on him.
How is a move on a down hill right turn on the outside side by side pulling a move correctly?? it was totally an inexperienced and desperate move on the outside at the very first opportunity even before the DRS was enabled and that too with 2 compounds softer 24 laps fresher tyres.
That's an overtaking spot and he made it ahead on the outside.
Then why was he in last place by the next corner?

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hudnut wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:01
Just_a_fan wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 16:54
TimW wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 16:50

A driver of Hamiltons level should have anticipated that and leave Albon space.
He had lock applied all the way, never unwound the lock. So how is he supposed to give space? If you go around the outside, you put yourself in danger at the exit.
Brakes.
Yes albon should have braked when he knew he wouldnt be fully in front of the car he was overtaking , this is normal even on the public road

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Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:29
Albon pulled the move correctly, it's pointless to say he could've been patient when he pulled the move cleanly.
Can't see intent on Hamilton's end, but that was on him.
From my perspective Albon just accelerated with his rear tyre into Hamilton's front tyre. Not something he could have predicted, and I don't think it is fair to blame Albon for that. But it's neither fair for Hamilton. It is a clear racing incident.
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Hamilton did deserve that penalty. The main difference with the situation with Verstappen and Leclerc was the location in the corner. Verstappen was on the racing line in the middle of the corner, where he pushed out Charles. Hamilton and Albon were already slightly beyond the exit of the corner when the collision happened, plus Lewis wasn't full lock, but by this point, Albon was on the racing line. Had Lewis backed off, they wouldn't have crashed.

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Unf wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:26
214270 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:23
ALB was not ahead, he had no right to dictate the line. This is basic racing 1-0-1
Rules are rules. Ham was obligated to left a car width room and he didn't do it.
No. That rule applies where a driver changes line in defence such as moving across on the straight to hold the inside line and then moves back across just before the corner to take the line. It does not apply during a corner as in this incident.
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tpeman wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:36
Hamilton did deserve that penalty. The main difference with the situation with Verstappen and Leclerc was the location in the corner. Verstappen was on the racing line in the middle of the corner, where he pushed out Charles. Hamilton and Albon were already slightly beyond the exit of the corner when the collision happened, plus Lewis wasn't full lock, but by this point, Albon was on the racing line. Had Lewis backed off, they wouldn't have crashed.
Maybe you should watch the onboards again

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siskue2005 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:34
Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:34
siskue2005 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:33


How is a move on a down hill right turn on the outside side by side pulling a move correctly?? it was totally an inexperienced and desperate move on the outside at the very first opportunity even before the DRS was enabled and that too with 2 compounds softer 24 laps fresher tyres.
That's an overtaking spot and he made it ahead on the outside.
Then why was he in last place by the next corner?
Because the guy on the inside, didn't leave space and bumped him, he got punished for it.

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Gothrek wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:34
Just saw the highlight, can anybody explain to me why Leclerc is getting so much praise? Besides a lucky pitstop, he didnt seem to do much special?
Well, Vettel is back in 11th or whatever with the same car.
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turbof1 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:36
Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:29
Albon pulled the move correctly, it's pointless to say he could've been patient when he pulled the move cleanly.
Can't see intent on Hamilton's end, but that was on him.
From my perspective Albon just accelerated with his rear tyre into Hamilton's front tyre. Not something he could have predicted, and I don't think it is fair to blame Albon for that. But it's neither fair for Hamilton. It is a clear racing incident.
When Albon hanged around the outside, and came out with his front wheels ahead, there was nothing more Hamilton could do, he should've made more effort to leave space.

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Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:38
siskue2005 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:34
Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:34

That's an overtaking spot and he made it ahead on the outside.
Then why was he in last place by the next corner?
Because the guy on the inside, didn't leave space and bumped him, he got punished for it.
Albon had space. He didn't use all of it.
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Gothrek wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:34
Just saw the highlight, can anybody explain to me why Leclerc is getting so much praise? Besides a lucky pitstop, he didnt seem to do much special?
He got 2nd place with the 5th fastest car. That's pretty good stuff. :)

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Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:38
siskue2005 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:34
Sevach wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:34

That's an overtaking spot and he made it ahead on the outside.
Then why was he in last place by the next corner?
Because the guy on the inside, didn't leave space and bumped him, he got punished for it.
There were enough space for a car on the outside, the inside guy did leave a space
It was a combination of the a risky move and the outside guy not using the available track or thinking the inside guy was not there.

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Grateful to have a fun race at last.

The incident debatable to have more in common to 2016 ROS-HAM than LEC-MAX.

VET is always under confident on poor rear end car. :(

Great to see BOT learn slow driving from HAM 2016. :twisted:

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siskue2005 wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:37
tpeman wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 17:36
Hamilton did deserve that penalty. The main difference with the situation with Verstappen and Leclerc was the location in the corner. Verstappen was on the racing line in the middle of the corner, where he pushed out Charles. Hamilton and Albon were already slightly beyond the exit of the corner when the collision happened, plus Lewis wasn't full lock, but by this point, Albon was on the racing line. Had Lewis backed off, they wouldn't have crashed.
Maybe you should watch the onboards again
I think we've reached a point where Lewis' haters don't even bother to argue in a semi - logical fashion. They just shout lies.