Ferrari SF1000

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selvam_e2002
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They won't take any action now i.e. this year and next year. They are building team around Lecrec and Binotto. So, They will wait for 2022 then decide.

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Things in the technical side must be sorted out because, with same rules and tyres, it is difficult to understand how it is possible to lose 1 second from one year to another.
What I mean is that they have to understand what has gone wrong and if necessary bring new methodologies and people (without firing anyone).
What hurts me is that last year they did a not competitive car (fast in straight, but slow in corners), but at that time there were the change in front wings and different tyres. Then they put some changes on the car during the season, but except for the engine nothing really improved a lot and at that time it was said that the lesson learnt would be applied to this year car.
At the moment it seems they are not so able to learn lessons!
Moreover from the "political" point of view they should stop thinking about the better for F1 and start to think egoistically to the better for their team (as the other teams do) and use all the instruments they have to pursue their goal which is to gain competitiveness and then start win again.
Unfortunately from the point of view of a Ferrari fan it seems that their goal is not to win, but only to be in F1 and take the prize money.
I'm still learning English so please excuse me if my English is not good enough and feel free to correct me via PM if you want.

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C Plinius Secundus wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:02 am
One and Only wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:24 am
Moore77 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:16 am
They should simply do that. Assuming the engine has lost out due to new FIA fuel sensor checks, to the tune of 40 HP, they would end up being around half a second slower on Red Bull Ring. Previous car would still be a clear third best!

FIA first came looking for them in October last year and it was clear of the additional fuel flow sensor coming in 2020. Since then, they should have worked on enhancing the PU performance and they should have clawed back some of that lost 40 HP. If this not far fetched to assume, then they should still be competing with Red Bull for 2nd place with last year's car with this year's PU. They can at least attempt it with Vettel, like Haas did last year post mid season when they went back to Melbourne spec car and that was actually a better car! Ferrari has nothing to lose.
Last year's engine with additional fuel sensor would still be better than this one, if Ferrari's trick was (only) burning more fuel. Also it wouldn't require building entirely new PU. This year's engine looks like on 2016. levels. It's like FIA deleted 3 years of development for Ferrari. If Ferrari could build decent aero and play their politics right Mercedes/Honda engine would be under heavy scrutinizing as well. They seem completely lost and Binnoto seems overwhelmed.
Binotto seems completely overwhelmed and probably is, but not because of lack of talent, he is an excellent engineer, but maybe the team principal position is just not the right place for him. If things don't improve, and fast, we're going to see the old Ferrari tradition of 'licenziamenti' (firing people left, right and center) again very soon, and then wait for another couple of years, and so on...
I think this assumption is wrong.
As CTO Binotto made the car a multi race winner. Now he is CEO for ~2 years, which is too short to really have that sort of impact.
They had a low drag concept which did not work out in the end. I still think that part of the engine cheat is over exaggerated, one could visibly see them putting downforce and drag on the car end of last season, which led to the decline of top speed. But they could not get this downforce into tire life, it surprisingly killed the tires.
Now whith the cheats over they have less power and less tire life. The only thing that helped were many safety cars...
This also fits the poor performance in the wet, as the car is set up to be as gentle to the tires as possible. In Q3 they did not even put the car at the lights like everyone else to not loose tire temperature...
In sum it is the same thing as the last 6 years: Merc did evolve a perfect knowledge of the tires as they had Schumacher driving races just for tire testing. Then Ham and Ros for one season eating tires. Plus a more powerful engine as they started more than one year earlier.
For me it is clear that Ferrari can do what they want...without magic or a rule and tire change they will not be on par again.

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Xwang wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:24 am
Things in the technical side must be sorted out because, with same rules and tyres, it is difficult to understand how it is possible to lose 1 second from one year to another.
What I mean is that they have to understand what has gone wrong and if necessary bring new methodologies and people (without firing anyone).
What hurts me is that last year they did a not competitive car (fast in straight, but slow in corners), but at that time there were the change in front wings and different tyres. Then they put some changes on the car during the season, but except for the engine nothing really improved a lot and at that time it was said that the lesson learnt would be applied to this year car.
At the moment it seems they are not so able to learn lessons!
Moreover from the "political" point of view they should stop thinking about the better for F1 and start to think egoistically to the better for their team (as the other teams do) and use all the instruments they have to pursue their goal which is to gain competitiveness and then start win again.
Unfortunately from the point of view of a Ferrari fan it seems that their goal is not to win, but only to be in F1 and take the prize money.
It's too early to judge whether the 2020 car improved on the 2019 car's weaknesses, Hungary will tell us. Of course it will be skewed because the engine is so much weaker and that might hide all the improvements they've made to the car, just like it did in Austria

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Fab55 wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:30 pm
I think the serious problem that emerged in the first tests is that it was not possible to combine the new packaging of the sides, now able to generate sufficient load, with the usual solution of the renunciation of a substantial portion of cooling coming from the airscope (useful both straight, than in fast corners). Evidently the packaging of the bellies is now too dense and generates an incoming waste which on one hand generates useless drag and on the other serious cooling problems on the deeper organs. It is likely that in Australia, except for technical miracles, we will see a Ferrari / Alfa. In fact, Alfa clearly represents a "parachute" project precisely because of the eventuality that has now been ascertained and which was obviously feared.
All the way back in February this gentleman @fab55 said that Ferrari were having drag issues at the sidepod inlets and people didn't believe him, 5 months later Motorsport Italy are reporting the same thing, apparently Ferrari have redesigned this area and that's the upgrade expected at Hungary. Possibly widening the airscope intake (which fab55 also called)

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 32632/amp/

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If they increase the size of the air intake above the driver, does this mean they are moving cooling solutions from the sidepod to another location?
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Yesterday Vettel said Ferrari managed to bring the complete Hungary upgrade forward.
Leclerc said that they have upgrades tackling the drag issue planned that will come "throughout the year"

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SiLo wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:09 am
If they increase the size of the air intake above the driver, does this mean they are moving cooling solutions from the sidepod to another location?
Ferrari had an upgrade similiar to the one described in the article before in Malaysia 2017.
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I think in this case it was an additional cooler, no reports on whether that allowed them to shrink the one in the sidepods because of that.

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wowgr8 wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:06 am
Fab55 wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:30 pm
I think the serious problem that emerged in the first tests is that it was not possible to combine the new packaging of the sides, now able to generate sufficient load, with the usual solution of the renunciation of a substantial portion of cooling coming from the airscope (useful both straight, than in fast corners). Evidently the packaging of the bellies is now too dense and generates an incoming waste which on one hand generates useless drag and on the other serious cooling problems on the deeper organs. It is likely that in Australia, except for technical miracles, we will see a Ferrari / Alfa. In fact, Alfa clearly represents a "parachute" project precisely because of the eventuality that has now been ascertained and which was obviously feared.
All the way back in February this gentleman @fab55 said that Ferrari were having drag issues at the sidepod inlets and people didn't believe him, 5 months later Motorsport Italy are reporting the same thing, apparently Ferrari have redesigned this area and that's the upgrade expected at Hungary. Possibly widening the airscope intake (which fab55 also called)

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... 32632/amp/
So there is some hope after all. Let's just see if it turns out as they hope.
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The Bad: The car may be fundamentally wrong and Ferrari will probably have to rethink the whole concept. They are yet to understand why the car is slow

The Good: They still haven't introduced the gearbox update so that might bring some stability in the rear when they do (this could explain the sudden snaps of overseer from Vettel's onboard?). They are hoping to get it ready by Hungary.

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It seems they went back to 2014 car. After F1 introduced two more sensors they lost the power in engine.

they have not improved at all in the season compared to other manufactures. Seems Ferrari Engine is 4th

It is very difficult for them to compete with Merc in 2020 and 2021. Only hope is 2022 if they make it right else, till 2025 they will be in midfield team.

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:20 am
It seems they went back to 2014 car. After F1 introduced two more sensors they lost the power in engine.

they have not improved at all in the season compared to other manufactures. Seems Ferrari Engine is 4th

It is very difficult for them to compete with Merc in 2020 and 2021. Only hope is 2022 if they make it right else, till 2025 they will be in midfield team.
Last year after Mercedes dominated the first 7-8 races, we thought that was it for the season. However, they turned the tables and Ferrari became a dominant force later in the season, especially in Qualy Trim. So, let's just not give up so early.
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outsid3r wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:54 am


The Bad: The car may be fundamentally wrong and Ferrari will probably have to rethink the whole concept. They are yet to understand why the car is slow

The Good: They still haven't introduced the gearbox update so that might bring some stability in the rear when they do (this could explain the sudden snaps of overseer from Vettel's onboard?). They are hoping to get it ready by Hungary.
Are you an Italian speaker? I'm subscribed to that outlet but it's so frustrating not knowing what they're saying and having no way of translating it

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wowgr8 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:58 am
outsid3r wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:54 am


The Bad: The car may be fundamentally wrong and Ferrari will probably have to rethink the whole concept. They are yet to understand why the car is slow

The Good: They still haven't introduced the gearbox update so that might bring some stability in the rear when they do (this could explain the sudden snaps of overseer from Vettel's onboard?). They are hoping to get it ready by Hungary.
Are you an Italian speaker? I'm subscribed to that outlet but it's so frustrating not knowing what they're saying and having no way of translating it
A load of BS most of the time