2020 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 31-02 July / August

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godlameroso wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 20:00
Just_a_fan wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 17:12
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02 Aug 2020, 17:08


They couldn't - Max would have stayed out, winning the race.
Horner saying that Max's tyres were cut and there was no guarantee that Max wouldn't have had a puncture if he'd stayed out.
I agree with that assessment, sure a win was possible, however no guarantee Verstappen's tires would have faired better, but fastest lap and 2nd place when the best we could have hoped for was 3rd is better than expected. The Mercs were able to pull away and manage the gap but they couldn't steam roll away. Either fuel or tires won't let them, which is good since next week it'll be even worse.
It reminds me of 2013 when the only thing slowing Redbull was the tires, and when they were made harder midseason (because of failures at Silverstone) Vettel won 9 races in a row. If the tires were harder and Merc could push them we would see their real pace.

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I’ve just watched it again. Hamilton was at turn 3 On lap 51 when Verstappen pitted. Mercedes had EVERY option to pit and the actively chose not to which is utterly idiotic.

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caesar1 wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 20:08
godlameroso wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 20:00
Just_a_fan wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 17:12

Horner saying that Max's tyres were cut and there was no guarantee that Max wouldn't have had a puncture if he'd stayed out.
I agree with that assessment, sure a win was possible, however no guarantee Verstappen's tires would have faired better, but fastest lap and 2nd place when the best we could have hoped for was 3rd is better than expected. The Mercs were able to pull away and manage the gap but they couldn't steam roll away. Either fuel or tires won't let them, which is good since next week it'll be even worse.
It reminds me of 2013 when the only thing slowing Redbull was the tires, and when they were made harder midseason (because of failures at Silverstone) Vettel won 9 races in a row. If the tires were harder and Merc could push them we would see their real pace.
According to Hamilton he wasn't cruising at all because Bottas was still chasing him and Red Bull was close enough to make an extra pitstop impossible without losing track position. I do agree the tires and fuel supply kept the race closer than it could have been had we not had such variables(as the 1 second quali gap shows.)

Next week will be quite a bit warmer all weekend and with softer tires it'll be interesting to see how much the tires limit the performance over a race.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 19:56
Anyone remember the "Mercedes will lap the entire field" projections? :lol:
Did you notice there were two SC? Of course apart from tyres case... ^^

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https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/02/ver ... it-horner/
“The tyre that came off the car had about 50 little cuts in it,” said Horner. “So it’s been through debris.”
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Hulk pulling some strings there today, even from the garage! (sarcasm)

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dans79 wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 20:17
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“The tyre that came off the car had about 50 little cuts in it,” said Horner. “So it’s been through debris.”
There have been races in the past where the tyres were almost down to carcass, but still completed the race. These failures looked sudden, even by Lewis' admission. So, Horner is most certainly right that there was potential debris. Kvyat's failure was equally sudden. Those people saying the tyres blew due to wear, don't seem to understand anything.

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Unf wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 20:17
Just_a_fan wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 19:56
Anyone remember the "Mercedes will lap the entire field" projections? :lol:
Did you notice there were two SC? Of course apart from tyres case... ^^
The only fast time was Max's. The Mercs were managing the race at the front such that many fastest laps were within 1s of the Mercs' fastest laps. Total management owing to tyre conservation. That Max's fastest lap was 2.2s faster than the Mercs, both of whom set near on identical personal fastest laps says it all.
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Albon's crush with Magnussen was very similar to the one he had with Lewis but this time he was the one inside. I think 5 sec was very harsh. Like it was harsh for Lewis. In both cases I blame the outside driver more.

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 20:46
Albon's crush with Magnussen was very similar to the one he had with Lewis but this time he was the one inside. I think 5 sec was very harsh. Like it was harsh for Lewis. In both cases I blame the outside driver more.
MAG hit the curb, went wide and then tried to take the apex when ALB was already there, MAG caused the collision and deserved the penalty. The stewards are only consistent in their incompetence.

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 20:46
Albon's crush with Magnussen was very similar to the one he had with Lewis but this time he was the one inside. I think 5 sec was very harsh. Like it was harsh for Lewis. In both cases I blame the outside driver more.
not really the same as in both cases Albon was the one trying to overtake, first on the outside & then on the inside. However that said I think both were racing incidents, neither deserved a penalty but you are correct, the outside drivers could have left more room in both cases but racing on the limit isn't always that easy!

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Bottas and Sainz...man, it sucks to be them today...or Hulkenberg...

Hamilton luckiest guy in the universe, respect for bringing it home like he did, but race control has handed out endangerment penalties for less.

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GPR-A wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 20:31
dans79 wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 20:17
https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/02/ver ... it-horner/
“The tyre that came off the car had about 50 little cuts in it,” said Horner. “So it’s been through debris.”
There have been races in the past where the tyres were almost down to carcass, but still completed the race. These failures looked sudden, even by Lewis' admission. So, Horner is most certainly right that there was potential debris. Kvyat's failure was equally sudden. Those people saying the tyres blew due to wear, don't seem to understand anything.
They were all front left failures though weren’t they? They all seemed to have failed in similar fashion also.

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zeph wrote:
02 Aug 2020, 21:08
Bottas and Sainz...man, it sucks to be them today...or Hulkenberg...

Hamilton luckiest guy in the universe, respect for bringing it home like he did, but race control has handed out endangerment penalties for less.
What was the "safe" thing to do? It's illegal to finish the race in the pit lane.

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Normally, he would have had to pull over and stop the car. Like I said, people have been penalized for less

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