zibby43 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:47 am
GhostF1 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:24 am
zibby43 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:54 am
Didn't Honda introduce their new PU early for "reliability" purposes?
They rushed forward a second specification, which ended up only being half what they wanted to bring, which was the reliability side anyway, no announced performance gain.
It wouldn't matter anyway as they didn't introduce it mid-season as a "reliability upgrade", it was rushed to make the first race of the season. So it's not suspect at all.
If anything, the fact Mercedes burned through their first MGU-K on all six cars smells a little odd to me (and no they are not in the pool for any of them, they are all expired). Renault and Merc having a noticeable performance difference between their qualification and race modes, as in it's a pretty big jump, that also could raise eyebrows. If it was Ferrari, I'd be shocked because their PU is a little bit of a slug at the moment so it'd look pretty poor if they were still circumventing the rules for that performance and Honda in general I'd be surprised if they were just outright cheating, culturally... it's not something I can imagine them doing nor can I see anything suspect with their performance on track.
I mean Ferrari have gotten away with whatever it was they were doing without any punishment, what's to say Merc's sudden appeal withdrawal last year wasn't a final finger to the FIA in that they can go down the line of "fine, we'll do what Ferrari are doing too if there's no Championship penalty or public, financial/award repercussions".
I mean what's the worst that can happen? the FIA strike another quiet deal but with Mercedes this time and tell them to stop doing what they're doing ala Ferrari last year?
The whole saga has opened so many potential holes it isn't funny. (this is all theoretical by the way, I'm merely making suggestions, not accusing)
Reliability and performance are inextricably linked. The more reliable and robust your PU is, the harder you can run it. Full stop.
Honda has made massive progress in the past 2 seasons. Not alleging they're doing anything either, but let's not shortchange the amount of performance they've injected into that PU over the past 2 seasons.
Where's the evidence that there's a massive difference between Merc's qualifying and race modes? They look pretty handy in the race to me.
Mark Hughes had a pretty good piece out a week ago about how everyone is massively overestimating Merc's supposed Q3 mode, noting that that they historically take less out of their tires in Q2.
Not to mention the fact Mercedes still secured pole by 7+ tenths in Barcelona using Strat 3, which is the first time I can remember them using that mode in Q3.
I think we're about to have our answers in Monza. And I won't be surprised to see Mercedes using a lower-deployment mode in Spa, again, as well.
To even imply Merc said "Oh, Ferrari got away with something, so we'll go for it too" is pretty much implying they're cheating. And to also imply that Honda, or any other team or manufacturer, isn't or hasn't pushed the gray areas of the rules to the limit, is, I must say (respectfully), naive/wishful thinking.
I think you're misreading me or adding a couple extra bits to make my post sound like something else. I'm not discounting Honda's huge progress over the last couple of years, it's been hugely impressive, but I haven't seen a thing that would make me suspect about it, they've been hugely transparent since 2015, and it's a joy to watch their progress rather publicly. As for reliability and performance being linked. Most definitely! But the question was "didn't Honda bring a reliability upgrade in the season?" As to which I replied, they didn't, they brought forward a new specification to begin the season, there is nothing wrong with that. This is addressing the implication by the FIA that in season reliability upgrade requests bring performance gain.
And I didn't say there are manufacturers that haven't exploited a "grey area", I believe it's highly likely all of them have (to be frank, I have suspicions Honda's cylinder cutting off throttle and exhaust crackles in some quali modes are exactly one of those grey areas). But exploiting a grey area is not cheating... Bypassing a sensor to use more fuel or bypassing monitored circuitry to add more power to the MGU-K is. That's a blatant run around of a known technical restriction.
Evidence of Mercedes quali jump!? They are significantly faster than Red Bull Honda in quali, only to come back to more typical gaps in race. The gap falls from 1s to 0.3. Now we know Honda has a pretty handy race mode and it's a safe bet they are second best in that respect and that is probably helping them but Merc turn it down for the race substantially, so do Renault.
I'm also not implying they're cheating. We don't actually know what Ferrari were doing and there has been zero consequence/punishment, we can only assume the FIA has told them to stop doing what they're doing, which is likely a grey area exploit, and to protect Ferrari's I.P they have not disclosed what it was. So if Mercedes have a pretty good hunch that they knew what Fez were doing, they obviously see no harm in also doing it as the FIA have not made a single public clarification due to Ferrari's request.
So yes what I am implying is, a team will take advantage of that fact and also utilise whatever grey area exploit it is until they are told, or a directive comes out.. publicly, that shuts that area down for good.