Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

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Are Schumacher's WDC and Win records under threat of being eclipsed?

Will the 7 WDC record be broken?
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Will the 91 Victory record be broken?
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Neither record will be broken.
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Both records will be broken.
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ringo wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:42 am
Hamilton will be the greatest ever. if he is not the greatest ever, then who is?
Senna, who didn't get to fulfil his full potential (could've realistically, maybe easily won 1994-5-6-7)

Clark. Same goes for him; who knows how many more he could've won.

Lauda, what might've been without his life/career altering crash ? He could've done what Schumacher did with Ferrari, nearly three decades earlier.

Maybe Fangio would've handed all of them their asses, with all of them in a modern car. How can you know for sure without pitting them against each other at their prime ?

Btw I made an argument both for for/against. If you look at isolated stats like Senna's pole percentage for example, or him putting 1.4 seconds into Prost of all drivers @ monaco, it becomes a little easier to make an argument that Hamilton can't be the greatest. But hats off to him still, 93/257 poles (~%36) is still crazy good.
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Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm
Maybe Fangio would've handed all of them their asses, with all of them in a modern car. How can you know for sure without pitting them against each other at their prime ?
Have you seen Fangio? I don't think he was anywhere close to fit enough to dive a modern car.
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And what was the level of competition back then, a gentleman's sport for the weathly or well connected.

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Fangio was still among the greats if you watch his videos.

I was converted after actually watching videos of him work his magic.

I certainly dont think drivers back then could be compared to today because of aforementioned reasons. But the fitness factor is certainly a big consideration. And in sports we dont usually make excuses for lack of fitness of past athletes. Fangio was the greatest of his times. But It is his loss that he was in that era.
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Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm
ringo wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:42 am
Hamilton will be the greatest ever. if he is not the greatest ever, then who is?
Senna, who didn't get to fulfil his full potential (could've realistically, maybe easily won 1994-5-6-7)
This is speculation. All of that is disputable. He was like 34 years old when died and he had his best years behind him from the MP4 cars which were totally dominant. There is no guarantee he would have continued to go unchallenged.
The fact is he was stopped at 3 championships.
Clark. Same goes for him; who knows how many more he could've won.
See above. How about Mansell? what if he had less bad luck? Also Prost. he would have had 7 championships as well.
Prost is in fact a greater driver than Senna, when you consider his racing career as a whole. Yes Senna is faster, but i don't think as a complete career driver he beats Prost, even when he was alive. Prost from the early 80s all the way to the 90s was never operating on a mediocre level.
Lauda, what might've been without his life/career altering crash ? He could've done what Schumacher did with Ferrari, nearly three decades earlier.
Maybe Fangio would've handed all of them their asses, with all of them in a modern car. How can you know for sure without pitting them against each other at their prime ?
Btw I made an argument both for for/against. If you look at isolated stats like Senna's pole percentage for example, or him putting 1.4 seconds into Prost of all drivers @ monaco, it becomes a little easier to make an argument that Hamilton can't be the greatest. But hats off to him still, 93/257 poles (~%36) is still crazy good.
I don't understand what you are saying here. lol. You are being very subjective here. Hamilton has outqualified other drivers and his teammates by greater lap time percentages than Senna. So not sure why you are saying this is an argument to say why someone who has the best numbers, has shown that he is the most talented in his time, is not the greatest? This is why we should stick to the numbers as the Shumi fans have for decades.
The drives can definitely add weight to greatness, but they don't determine if another driver cannot be considered great.
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But the drivers of old would have been fit if They drove today. No doubt.
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Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm
ringo wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:42 am
Hamilton will be the greatest ever. if he is not the greatest ever, then who is?
Senna, who didn't get to fulfil his full potential (could've realistically, maybe easily won 1994-5-6-7)

Clark. Same goes for him; who knows how many more he could've won.

Lauda, what might've been without his life/career altering crash ? He could've done what Schumacher did with Ferrari, nearly three decades earlier.

Maybe Fangio would've handed all of them their asses, with all of them in a modern car. How can you know for sure without pitting them against each other at their prime ?

Btw I made an argument both for for/against. If you look at isolated stats like Senna's pole percentage for example, or him putting 1.4 seconds into Prost of all drivers @ monaco, it becomes a little easier to make an argument that Hamilton can't be the greatest. But hats off to him still, 93/257 poles (~%36) is still crazy good.
If we're talking what ifs, then I completely agree absolutely you could easily make the argument Senna could have won 4 straight in the Williams and then gone back to either McLaren or to Ferrari and grabbed another 1-2 there. Sure he'd have been old in the standards of those days, but the guy was a supremely fit human being as well.

Then interestingly there's the possibility because of that, that Schumacher only wins a fraction of what he actually won in reality.

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Lewis Hamilton is now on course to overhaul Michael Schumacher's two remaining records (race victories and driver's world titles) if Hamilton win next two races and one title this year. I will backing Hamilton to inherit Schumacher's Formula 1 G.O.A.T. (Greatest Of All Time) status if he do a another more victories and another titles.

Your opinions?

Just to let you know this is not my post but off a locked thread.

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I don't think stats tell you who's the best of all time, all they tell you is who's the most successful of all time.

Hamilton is no doubt one of the best drivers in history but let's not kid ourselves by pretending any other elite driver could not amass all these race wins and titles driving for Mercedes.

He has been in the right place at the right time and profited from it immensely.

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Why have you just posted two contrary opinions as the same poster?

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thy are not contrary, and he told he quoted from another poster on that locked thread. Why the questioning?
Controversy does not have a short memory.

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Shrieker wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm
ringo wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:42 am
Hamilton will be the greatest ever. if he is not the greatest ever, then who is?
Senna, who didn't get to fulfil his full potential (could've realistically, maybe easily won 1994-5-6-7)

Clark. Same goes for him; who knows how many more he could've won.

Lauda, what might've been without his life/career altering crash ? He could've done what Schumacher did with Ferrari, nearly three decades earlier.

Maybe Fangio would've handed all of them their asses, with all of them in a modern car. How can you know for sure without pitting them against each other at their prime ?

Btw I made an argument both for for/against. If you look at isolated stats like Senna's pole percentage for example, or him putting 1.4 seconds into Prost of all drivers @ monaco, it becomes a little easier to make an argument that Hamilton can't be the greatest. But hats off to him still, 93/257 poles (~%36) is still crazy good.
And if Schumacher hadn't left / been forced out after 2006 and stayed at Ferrari for 2007 and 2008? Schumacher would likely have had Raikkonen's measure, and he'd probably be a 9 time World Champion.

Endless games of if-only.

Facts are, Hamilton has an absolutely golden ticket to take both records now. His car is bulletproof reliable, his teammate is not close to troubling him 8 races out of 10, the opposition remains at arms length, and one of the primary threats has been neutralized until 2022 (Ferrari). Only age-related deterioration of skill or an accident will prevent him from doing so. That or a massive power boost from Honda.

The next question, for another thread, would be, what set of circumstances would be required to break Hamilton's records, likely to be 100+ wins, 100+ pole positions, and 8+ World Championships?

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If the budget cuts and new technical rules designed to give us closer racing work, then, it's unlikely that we'll ever see this level of prolonged dominance again.

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Unc1eM0nty wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:30 pm
If the budget cuts and new technical rules designed to give us closer racing work, then, it's unlikely that we'll ever see this level of prolonged dominance again.
Which are the records, in any sport, that was set in one generation, wasn't broken in another generation or at least within a couple of generations?
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Two victories and one driver's title away for Lewis Hamilton to reach the new F1 G.O.A.T. status